Shuffle tracking Fiasco!

[Ferretnparrot]

Funny story, well it was to me, i figure ill share it since nobody would care except possibly somebody here.

So i was playing this week, and i noticed an astronomically negetive count within the first couple of hands, kind a shame it wasnt positive but i had been sitting at this table for hours, and i figured it wouldnt hurt for me to stay another couple hours since i drove 3 hours to get to this casino and proibily wasnt coming back for a long time/ever, i was playing with these kids who were totaly cool, and i helped them out a bit cause they were noobs, when the cut card came out i was like, hey you guys using that? and being the cool people they were, they gave me the cut card. The dealer shuffled up my segment on the bottom and it ended up on the top of the new stack, mixed with some unknown cards and i estimated a 2/3 of a deck with 14 additional cards of interest. It got really awsome when the dealer broke it in half again to go round for the second shuffle, he goes to break the shoe in half, and taking the top half, in which the top 2/3 of a deck contained 14 cards of interest, he took too large of a stack, so in the process of evening it up he took 1/3 form the top of the deck to move it over to the other stack (this was half of the segment of interest), then picked up that same 3rd along with the other third of the segment of interest and shuffled them together accomplishign nothing!! then after another shuffle process i had sight on 1 and 1/3 deck with 14 additional cards of interest, after the shuffle im really excited and considering tipping the players at the table for giving me the cut card, the dealer squares the decks against the shoe, i begin to salivate, locked on like a laser guided missle, i sight where i want the cut card to go, he slowly slided the cards away form the shoe, i make the motion to intercept and was 3 inches from coming into contact with the shoe when..... BLAMMMM all six deck explode from the dealers hands all over the table and onto the floor!! :cry: It sure is tough to beat these casinos , god must not have wanted me to win money that day or something.

Aside form the comedy in the dealer dumping cards all over the place, i also noted an interesting phenominon (i dont knwo how to spell that word) i was employing this tactic for multiple consective shoes in a row, cutting the negetive cards to the top, betting big, keepign the coutn for the first couple of hands if it was of interest, then cutting the cards back to the front of the shoe after the next shuffle, I did this for at least three consectuive shoes, due to me putting cards of interest to the top of the shoe, then being able to track a cluster of cards of interest from the top of the next shoe. The last one didnt play out that well though as i explained, but it appears obvious that you should be able to do this over and over again since your putting the cards right back to the begining where you are tracking them from, now the problem is, i only got 1-1.5 decks of advanatge play in each shoe because the count was tanked out after the cluster was dealt and the rest fo the shoe is unknown, do i get more +ev playing this way, or with conventional counting?

Is playing in this manor in the high lmit room where no midshoe enry is allowed while playing only the table minimum the "perfect" undetectable, unsuspicious way to play? i Think it could be... it could go liek this, casino noob walks into high roller room, tries to buy in and dealer explains no mishoe rule after first hand of play, waits through shoe, cuts cards, make money walks away

 

[creeping panther]

Ferret

Of course it could be and many have made good money this way. Remember you need a weak shuffle...weak.

However, a smart eye will pick up on your game rather quickly, and those cards blown out by accident, may then be blown out on purpose. The bigger the casino, usually the more skilled the eye.

Also the rotation of the cut card is done for a reason and usually enforced to varying degrees.

Nice play on your part though, keep it up, but be very careful.

CP

 

[KounterStrike]

Funny story, well it was to me, i figure ill share it since nobody would care except possibly somebody here.

So i was playing this week, and i noticed an astronomically negetive count within the first couple of hands, kind a shame it wasnt positive but i had been sitting at this table for hours, and i figured it wouldnt hurt for me to stay another couple hours since i drove 3 hours to get to this casino and proibily wasnt coming back for a long time/ever, i was playing with these kids who were totaly cool, and i helped them out a bit cause they were noobs, when the cut card came out i was like, hey you guys using that? and being the cool people they were, they gave me the cut card. The dealer shuffled up my segment on the bottom and it ended up on the top of the new stack, mixed with some unknown cards and i estimated a 2/3 of a deck with 14 additional cards of interest. It got really awsome when the dealer broke it in half again to go round for the second shuffle, he goes to break the shoe in half, and taking the top half, in which the top 2/3 of a deck contained 14 cards of interest, he took too large of a stack, so in the process of evening it up he took 1/3 form the top of the deck to move it over to the other stack (this was half of the segment of interest), then picked up that same 3rd along with the other third of the segment of interest and shuffled them together accomplishign nothing!! then after another shuffle process i had sight on 1 and 1/3 deck with 14 additional cards of interest, after the shuffle im really excited and considering tipping the players at the table for giving me the cut card, the dealer squares the decks against the shoe, i begin to salivate, locked on like a laser guided missle, i sight where i want the cut card to go, he slowly slided the cards away form the shoe, i make the motion to intercept and was 3 inches from coming into contact with the shoe when..... BLAMMMM all six deck explode from the dealers hands all over the table and onto the floor!! :cry: It sure is tough to beat these casinos , god must not have wanted me to win money that day or something.

Aside form the comedy in the dealer dumping cards all over the place, i also noted an interesting phenominon (i dont knwo how to spell that word) i was employing this tactic for multiple consective shoes in a row, cutting the negetive cards to the top, betting big, keepign the coutn for the first couple of hands if it was of interest, then cutting the cards back to the front of the shoe after the next shuffle, I did this for at least three consectuive shoes, due to me putting cards of interest to the top of the shoe, then being able to track a cluster of cards of interest from the top of the next shoe. The last one didnt play out that well though as i explained, but it appears obvious that you should be able to do this over and over again since your putting the cards right back to the begining where you are tracking them from, now the problem is, i only got 1-1.5 decks of advanatge play in each shoe because the count was tanked out after the cluster was dealt and the rest fo the shoe is unknown, do i get more +ev playing this way, or with conventional counting?

Is playing in this manor in the high lmit room where no midshoe enry is allowed while playing only the table minimum the "perfect" undetectable, unsuspicious way to play? i Think it could be... it could go liek this, casino noob walks into high roller room, tries to buy in and dealer explains no mishoe rule after first hand of play, waits through shoe, cuts cards, make money walks away

Cute and imaginative bedtime story. I like it!!!!

 

[1357111317]

Haha that exact same thing almost happened to me. As the dealer had the six decks in his hand and as he was turning it to me to cut it the deck slipped and he almost sent the whole stack flying. Luckily he saved it and all worked as planned. But boy would I have been choked had he messed that one up.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Once I had a dealer face the cards backwards when presented to me to cut. I had done some tracking, too.... for nothing! Reshuffle!

 

[Thunder]

You can really take advantage of this when you have dealers with small hands trying to control 8 decks. More often than not, they will flash some cards. It's interesting to me how the casinos have different shuffles, with some obviously being more effective shuffles than others. I have tried to track segments of the shoe where there were lots of 20s and blackjacks that came out but I'm afraid I'll be off a little and end up costing myself a lot of money. Even if I'm lucky enough to get the cut card in these situations, if the shoe goes bad afterwards, naturally I get blamed! I think shuffle tracking is one of the few times you have to disregard the count but since I'm new to it, I'll defer to some of the more advanced ap's here.

 

[zengrifter]

i begin to salivate, locked on like a laser guided missle, i sight where i want the cut card to go, he slowly slided the cards away form the shoe, i make the motion to intercept and was 3 inches from coming into contact with the shoe when..... BLAMMMM all six deck explode from the dealers hands all over the table and onto the floor!! :cry:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[itrack]

This actually happened to me today. Right after I had cut the good cards to the top and the bad cards to the bottom(things were looking good), the dealer pulled away the stack of cards too fast and they went flying all over the table. From what I could see the dealer picked the cards back up in almost the exact order that they were in before, but the pit made the dealer shuffle again:sad: