Single deck in New jersey!!!

[Ferretnparrot]

I think iv found gold, possibly.

I friend of mine was at a bar last night far from where i live and told me he was surprised to see that during late night hours, they pull out a craps pit, a roullette wheel, and of all things to peak my interest a blackjack table. I inquired about the blackjack game and because of his limited knowledge of the game the only thing he was able to confirm was that it is a single deck game. Using bar patron logic, im sure that it would be argued and aggreed that the game should be played with the same rules blackjack has been played in atlantic city for the last couple decades. If so i need to prepair to assault and extract money from this game.

My problem is i only know how to assaulty the multiple deck games in atlantic city, and i only know the strategy deviations for multiple deck games.

I think im in for a major headache of modifiing my internal database of information, but as a shortcut i wonder, how much value are you sacrificing if you play no strategy variations in a single deck game but still rais your bet accordingly?

Also, what happens if you apply multiple deck playing strategy to a single deck game and raise and lowere your bet accordingly?

 

[21forme]

Also, what happens if you apply multiple deck playing strategy to a single deck game and raise and lowere your bet accordingly?

Most likely you will get your legs broken. There's also the possibility of cheating, for which you have no recourse. I would never play a private game.

 

[FLASH1296]

Caveat Emptor

BJ when privately spread (and hand-dealt no less) is a very easy game to cheat the patrons at.

Enough said.

Don't be a sucker.

Forewarned is forearmed.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I think iv found gold, possibly.

I friend of mine was at a bar last night far from where i live and told me he was surprised to see that during late night hours, they pull out a craps pit, a roullette wheel, and of all things to peak my interest a blackjack table. I inquired about the blackjack game and because of his limited knowledge of the game the only thing he was able to confirm was that it is a single deck game. Using bar patron logic, im sure that it would be argued and aggreed that the game should be played with the same rules blackjack has been played in atlantic city for the last couple decades. If so i need to prepair to assault and extract money from this game.

My problem is i only know how to assaulty the multiple deck games in atlantic city, and i only know the strategy deviations for multiple deck games.

I think im in for a major headache of modifiing my internal database of information, but as a shortcut i wonder, how much value are you sacrificing if you play no strategy variations in a single deck game but still rais your bet accordingly?

Also, what happens if you apply multiple deck playing strategy to a single deck game and raise and lowere your bet accordingly?

Illegal, private games can be honest, but they are self-patrolling under the outlaw code. Either side can cheat, and either side can pay the traditional consequences.

So unless you are prepared to use a knife to extract your EV from someone if you discover you have been cheated, you will be cheated. Not worth it, in my opinion.

 

[FLASH1296]

]The only place that the "Outlaw Code" ever existed was in Hollywood.

If you are caught cheating you will rue* the day.
If they cheat you, you may not catch them, and if you do, there is not a thing that you can do but exit stage left.
Impulsively revealing that you have caught them cheating could be regrettably dangerous to your health.


*rue |roō|
verb ( rues , rued , ruing or rueing ) [ trans.]
bitterly regret (something one has done or allowed to happen)
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[EasyRhino]

If the game is legal, they may not even be playing for real money.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I wouldn't be QUITE as paranoid as these guys are suggesting. Just make sure you can recognize what "dealing seconds" sounds like.

 

[SleightOfHand]

Goldmine or Landmine?

I wouldn't be QUITE as paranoid as these guys are suggesting. Just make sure you can recognize what "dealing seconds" sounds like.

Here's a few tips on how to recognize various dealer cheating techniques. Assuming right handed dealer. While it is easier with Bee cards, any brand of cards is easily manipulated with practice. Also, if the dealer isn't dealing/discarding/shuffling like in the casinos, its possible hes cheating, as the casino routine is built to stop cheating of all forms.

Second Deals:
1) Mechanic's Grip (Archive copy): I tried to explain it, but I think a picture would be better. I haven't played casino SD/DD, so I'm not sure if they use this grip or not. Its a very good grip to deal from cheating or not, so this may not help.
2) Does he tilt the front of the deck upwards when he grabs a card and brings it back down when he deals it?
3) If not well experienced, there may be a sort of "snap" sound that is somewhat audible when pulling the card off the deck.
4) Second deals can be EXTREMELY hard to catch even if you know what to look for. I practiced magic for about 4 years, where seconds (not necessarily dealing) is a basic, and I can just about barely pull it off for laymen.

Mucking: Check for any way for cards to be singled out after dealt.
1) If cards are slightly sticking out in the discard pile, he may be "jogging" the cards out for easy access later. A good cheat can jog cards 1/16" and easily keep their location

Shuffling: My favorite way to "cheat" :grin:
1) Is the shuffling perfect (perfect weave)? The "Farrow Shuffle" can be done in the hands or on a table and makes it very easy to order cards.
2) Is the shuffling too imperfect? It is very easy to notice when shuffling if the top/bottom card/packet of cards isn't shuffled into a different location
3)

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Mid writing, and just looking back, all of this seems fairly obvious and I stopped writing lol. While this won't really help, as it doesn't explain the methods, I suggest watching a movie called Shade. Its an excellent movie and shows lots of expert cheating techniques.

PS: I REALLY recommend the movie. I'm watching it again, and its SO good lol.

 

[FLASH1296]

The movie "Shade"

Which one ?

http://www.imdb.com/find?q=Shade;s=all


Ahhh. Found it.

You meant this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0323939/

 

[Kasi]

the only thing he was able to confirm was that it is a single deck game.

Before you even worry about all that stuff don't you think it would be worth a scouting trip to see what the rules are, min-max, pen etc?

Or maybe tell your friend what questions to ask?

 

[SleightOfHand]

Ahhh. Found it.

You meant this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0323939/

Yea thats the one.

PS: But like I said, this has pretty much only entertainment value, as I can barely catch the moves, let alone layment :wink:

PSS: watching again reminded me of the "Gambler's Crimp" which is a slight bend in the cards to make it easy for unknowing laymen to cut exactly where the cheat wants it. Kinda like the warps from checking the hole card.

PSSS: Warning: language and nudity (yay boobies!)

 

[FLASH1296]

Aaargh !

I forget to mention that there is Single Deck at some places in Atlantic City;
but of course It is the ultimate Rip-Off game where BlackJacks payoffs are reduced 6 to 5 !

The House Advantage is about 1.85% - FOUR (4) times as bad as the shoe games !