single deck memorizing the actual cards
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I like your question! I guess you could find out the correct play for all combinations of possible hands and cards played (for example, via simulations). And then the real challenge now is to memorize all those correct plays, as is way more difficult than memorizing all the actual cards played.
If you somehow have a way of grouping those correct plays (with potential approximations), and therefore reducing the play strategy to be memorized significantly, you might have quite much gain. But I have no clue how this reduction could be done.
If you somehow have a way of grouping those correct plays (with potential approximations), and therefore reducing the play strategy to be memorized significantly, you might have quite much gain. But I have no clue how this reduction could be done.
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I think a betting strategy depends on how much advantage you'll gain. And you won't gain extra advantage compared to a current counting system if memorzing exact cards played doesn't improve your playing strategy over the counting system. I believe you could gain advantage in both betting and playing, in your example where all 4's and 5's are played in the first round, if you could improve your play compared to a counting method. But the premise I think is to memorize correct plays for subtle scenarios where the correct plays are identified less frequentl by a counting method. I think Meistro gave an example above about the scenarios where you might gain something.kenuston said:
Another potential gain you might have is on insurance, even compared with the so-called "perfect" counting system for insurance, i.e., the one that counts the 10 cards as 4 and the rest as 9. However, the gain may still be quite small (but I don't know), and since you don't know when the dealer will have an Ace up, you'll have to do all the memorizing of the cards played for the insurance purposes (unless all the Aces are played out) to gain slightly only in very few cases where the dealer has an Ace up.Meistro said:
Leaveawinner
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Use your chips to track cards. It's obvious, and it may help you learn to memorize the cards played.
Example: The chips I use are red with a green section at 9 and 3 as the clock faces. Using 13 chips, align the "stripes" or off colored sections to the 9 o'clock position at the start of a shoe. The chips are 2 on the table to Ace on top. Every time a 2 comes out, turn the bottom chip a notch. After the 4th 2 comes out the off color section of the chip will be at 6'oclock.
The 5th chip from the table would be for the 6's.
Example: The chips I use are red with a green section at 9 and 3 as the clock faces. Using 13 chips, align the "stripes" or off colored sections to the 9 o'clock position at the start of a shoe. The chips are 2 on the table to Ace on top. Every time a 2 comes out, turn the bottom chip a notch. After the 4th 2 comes out the off color section of the chip will be at 6'oclock.
The 5th chip from the table would be for the 6's.
single deck memorization
are you saying you have a whole bunch of chips in front of you and you spin them as you are playing; would it not look strange to everyone seated and the dealer? What are you saying? Does this actually work in playing conditions and can you be sure you are turning the right chip? Tell me more, please. My topic is meant to make someone think about the played cards in a single deck game and bet and possibly play accordingly. No one seems to get it but you. If there are two other people plus the dealer and it is a single deck can not anyone see that if all the 4's, 5's, and 6's are played and you are keeping a hi-lo count and the count is + 6 after the first round or even the second round that this info is spectacular? If you drew a 14, 15, or 16 against anything I think you would stand especially if a couple of sevens were played. The idea being that you would probably bust. The dealer might get a 2,3,7,8,9,10, or ace up. Any stiff will probably bust and he is likely to either get a stiff or an unbeatable 20 or 21. I did not have to memorize any charts or even think more than 30 seconds to make this change in basic strategy. Am I wrong about this deviation and am I wrong to think that knowing the count plus the cards some of the time if not all will increase EV by at least a few percent?Leaveawinner said:
Deathclutch
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We understand what you're saying, but it's really not worth the effort. The gains over using a strong level 2 count with a high PE are not worth the work you'd have to put in. You're still going to have to count and then create indices that weight the value of different cards against certain hands such as how a 7 will be very important in a 14 v 10, but not as much in a 15 v 10 and 16 v 10. Do you see where this is going? You'd be better served to master your count and if possible try to get every bit of information you can when the dealer is cutting cards or when they're dealing.kenuston said:
Edit: Plus can you imagine turning chips the way this guy is saying? Do you really think you'll get away with that unless maybe you're attempting to do some shuffle tracking with your chips?