Smallest House Edge
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What are the rules for each...
... including dealer hit/stand soft 17? zg
If you know the answers to the above you can figure it out yourself with this chart - http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/conseq/rules.htm (Archive copy)
... including dealer hit/stand soft 17? zg
If you know the answers to the above you can figure it out yourself with this chart - http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/conseq/rules.htm (Archive copy)
Just returned from Vegas
Here is what I saw:
Mandalay Bay: Usual 6D game with s-17,lsr, rsa, da, das. Pen about 1.5 cut
a few DD tables with $100 min but 50% pen, so did not play.
Caesars: Same 6D as Mandalay Bay
I did not see any DD but they are supposed to have a table or two.
Palms: Same 6D in high limit area (saw $100 min and mixed pen)otherwise you are looking
at h-17
There is a DD game in that area that is S-17, only 50% pen and $200
min.
Victoria
Here is what I saw:
Mandalay Bay: Usual 6D game with s-17,lsr, rsa, da, das. Pen about 1.5 cut
a few DD tables with $100 min but 50% pen, so did not play.
Caesars: Same 6D as Mandalay Bay
I did not see any DD but they are supposed to have a table or two.
Palms: Same 6D in high limit area (saw $100 min and mixed pen)otherwise you are looking
at h-17
There is a DD game in that area that is S-17, only 50% pen and $200
min.
Victoria
About the Caeasars, Palms, and Mandalay Games
When last I was there some time ago, Caesars had a two-deck game with surrender and stay on soft17 in the high-limit area (unfortunately it was always crowded and had irritating pit personal), Mandalay had the same thing except they hit soft17, and Palms stayed on soft17 but did not have surrender.
If those rules still exist, I would play at Caesars but a friend of mine who is a fair-size gambler got squeezed out of there almost a year ago for the perception of card counting (he is not, he just varies his bets greatly). He came into the back room with a big stack of cash, played by the book, and then just started making bets 10 times his $200 minimum (not for counting reasons, but as he told me because he hadn't seen an Ace yet). He was winning and they started making him feel uncomfortable and did not take his "just passing through" line when they asked for a players card or ID. I would hate to be "accused" of being a card counter when I wasn't benefitting from that exercise. The Palms rules are not as good (or weren't) but they are the most liberal in giving comps IMHO.
I did subscribe to a service that gave the various blackjack rules for all the casinos, but, respectfully, it was found laking on my last trip and contained errors so I am trying this board instead. Good luck all.
When last I was there some time ago, Caesars had a two-deck game with surrender and stay on soft17 in the high-limit area (unfortunately it was always crowded and had irritating pit personal), Mandalay had the same thing except they hit soft17, and Palms stayed on soft17 but did not have surrender.
If those rules still exist, I would play at Caesars but a friend of mine who is a fair-size gambler got squeezed out of there almost a year ago for the perception of card counting (he is not, he just varies his bets greatly). He came into the back room with a big stack of cash, played by the book, and then just started making bets 10 times his $200 minimum (not for counting reasons, but as he told me because he hadn't seen an Ace yet). He was winning and they started making him feel uncomfortable and did not take his "just passing through" line when they asked for a players card or ID. I would hate to be "accused" of being a card counter when I wasn't benefitting from that exercise. The Palms rules are not as good (or weren't) but they are the most liberal in giving comps IMHO.
I did subscribe to a service that gave the various blackjack rules for all the casinos, but, respectfully, it was found laking on my last trip and contained errors so I am trying this board instead. Good luck all.
The demise of Caesars; your thoughts
Wow, I believe you. I just checked their website today and was going to strike them off my list because it said they would only allow doubling on two deck games if you had 11 or 10. Now without a 2 deck option, I see no reason to visit them. Another example of short-term thinking in vegas (I used to visit downtown Vegas and Binions (before the takeover) because of the great one deck game with the lowest house edge. Now that it is gone, it is not worth the cab ride off the strip)). My 2 choices for staying are now the Palms and Mandalay. I assume they both have 2 deck with Mandalay also having Surrender. Does Wynn's now have the lowest house edge 2 deck game on the strip?
Wow, I believe you. I just checked their website today and was going to strike them off my list because it said they would only allow doubling on two deck games if you had 11 or 10. Now without a 2 deck option, I see no reason to visit them. Another example of short-term thinking in vegas (I used to visit downtown Vegas and Binions (before the takeover) because of the great one deck game with the lowest house edge. Now that it is gone, it is not worth the cab ride off the strip)). My 2 choices for staying are now the Palms and Mandalay. I assume they both have 2 deck with Mandalay also having Surrender. Does Wynn's now have the lowest house edge 2 deck game on the strip?
Theoretically, 2D, S17 is the same at ....
...W* as it would be at Be* or anywhere else. As others in this thread have alluded to, when selecting a BJ game to play, there are many factors to look at other than the house theoretical edge. I would still rent a car to get to other off-strip places such as downtown.
...W* as it would be at Be* or anywhere else. As others in this thread have alluded to, when selecting a BJ game to play, there are many factors to look at other than the house theoretical edge. I would still rent a car to get to other off-strip places such as downtown.