Smart CSMs

[zoomie]

The casino in Vegas named after a stone the color of blood has a 3CP table with a computer-type display in front of each player. The CSM reads the cards dealt, and reports the hand on the display: "Pair of 5s," etc. So any game with a CSM could do the same thing, and could be programmable to deal stiffs or something else awful! :flame::flame:

 

[21forme]

Never heard of Ruby Casino

From what I've been told, only the single deck ASMs can read the cards. I've seen a 3CP machine actually put a used deck in order. The AMSs used for 6 and 8D games hopefully can't do that. No clure about the DD ASMs, but those aren't seen very often.

 

[forwhat77]

The new style games (6 deck) that are dealt out of the shoe but played on the computer read the cards as well. hmmmm,lol.. I would start mentioning some things but I'm sure it's just voodoo...

 

[AussiePlayer]

ASM's can pretty much all read the cards, they check the deck for completeness every time they shuffle. As far as electronic shoes go; in Nevada there is legally supposed to be a 6 hand delay on the readout if the electronic shoe is set to display the running count.

 

[aslan]

If they began using such "powers" against us, I am sure it would become evident. The online poker scandal, whereby some people could see the hands of all the players, was sensed by so many people that it was finally investigated and uncovered. Seemingly impossible runs of bad luck are not that uncommon in blackjack. If their occurrence went up significantly, however, I think we would generally become aware of it, and jointly begin demanding an investigation. One thing I am convinced of, and that is that crooks are not so smart as to never let themselves be carried away by greed. I feel sure they would overdo it and get themselves caught.

 

[BJinNJ]

We All Trust the Casinos to do Right, Don't We?

I'm surprised the Gaming Commissions allow these in the
building. Aren't electronic devices banned at the tables?

Sure the casino can look at your hand, but don't become
skilled and use your brain to win. NooOoooooo.

BJinNJ

 

[aslan]

I'm surprised the Gaming Commissions allow these in the
building. Aren't electronic devices banned at the tables?

Sure the casino can look at your hand, but don't become
skilled and use your brain to win. NooOoooooo.

BJinNJ

:laugh: That's it in a nutshell.

 

[BJinNJ]

Are RFID Chips Electronic devices? eom

BJinNJ

 

[aslan]

BJinNJ

You could say that. I think it's easier for the gaming commissions to determine the harmless use and intent of chips in cards, than for it to determine the harmless use and intent of electronic devices in the hands of millions of players. As a practical matter, it seems easier for them to deny all electronic devices to players in general, while they may allow the casinos to employ electronic devices for easily verifiable and specific purposes such as token security, surveillance, anti-theft measures, and player protection, among others.

 

[BJinNJ]

I don't buy it...

The easiest and fairest policy is no electronic devices
for anyone, including the casinos. Too much opportunity
for abuse, on both sides of the felt.

JMHO

BJinNJ

 

[aslan]

The easiest and fairest policy is no electronic devices
for anyone, including the casinos. Too much opportunity
for abuse, on both sides of the felt.

JMHO

BJinNJ

So you're saying they should not be allowed to have the eyes-in-the-sky, RFID chips to validate tokens, and computers in the pits? Shouldn't we just ask them to close their doors? Would you own and operate a casino with these restrictions?

 

[BJinNJ]

Casinos In Operation Long B4 Microchips

I'm not too worried about the RFID chips, or even the
eye-in-the-sky. But equipment "at the table" that
counts the cards or knows my hand seems out of bounds.

Why does a casino have more right to protect their
bankroll than I do? If they don't want to risk their
bankroll, don't be in the casino business.

I know a lot of questionable people frequent casinos,
so some measures are necessary.

AFA RFID in the chips, a little aluminum foil in a cigar
case can thwart that! LOL

BJinNJ

 

[aslan]

I'm not too worried about the RFID chips, or even the
eye-in-the-sky. But equipment "at the table" that
counts the cards or knows my hand seems out of bounds.

Why does a casino have more right to protect their
bankroll than I do? If they don't want to risk their
bankroll, don't be in the casino business.

I know a lot of questionable people frequent casinos,
so some measures are necessary.

AFA RFID in the chips, a little aluminum foil in a cigar
case can thwart that! LOL

BJinNJ

So you don't mind the eye-in-the-sky using electronic equipment to count cards, but you do if it is "at the table?" Currently, surveillance manually inputs card data in a computer to confirm card counting. Manual input of an electronic device at the table is against the law for players. Also, it is not a stretch to imagine a system that can scan the cards electronically from the "sky" and automatically determine the count.

RFIDs in chips are also used to expose counterfeit chips.

 

[BJinNJ]

RFID Chips...

don't influence the outcome of the bet.
That's why I don't care much about them.

But knowing an opponent's hand is another thing.
(kind of moot on shoe games) As is a computer
telling the dealer to reshuffle when the count stays
positive.

BJinNJ

 

[aslan]

don't influence the outcome of the bet.
That's why I don't care much about them.

But knowing an opponent's hand is another thing.
(kind of moot on shoe games) As is a computer
telling the dealer to reshuffle when the count stays
positive.

BJinNJ

How is knowing what the player has a problem in pitch games? I mean, how does that help the house? You're not suggesting they're dealing seconds, are you?

Obviously, preferential shuffling is a problem whether by electronic or mental means, but so is any electronic means of identifying card counters. Many eyes are poor at counting, and most PCs are, too, IMO.