something I would like to verify

[Deleted member 3273]

I am an eager student, wanting to proceed and understand what I am doing besides just doing it! I guess that is intelligence. Where else we can make progress.

I think not many people are known with conrad's paper about the red seven count. In many ways I feel that sticking to what you know will work out better, instead using an unbalanced count, true counting it, using the high low index numbers.

Like i said I use true edge method. but for study references I would like to know if true counting the red seven count is used with whole deck estimation, the same as high low count. Only than the index numbers are compatible. Otherwise we need to double the index numbers of highlow If i am using nearest 1/2 deck calculation using true edge method.

Anybody can verify me on this again.

I have some more questions but I rather do it one by one. cause I am known to be speaking riddles by some? Yes my mind goes sometimes to fast and it is good for creative writing but not for calculus.......LOL

 

[MeWin$]

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Learn Hi Lo. It's simple and effective for shoe games.

 

[Deleted member 3273]

High low!

I have used Uston APC and many others. Mostly I play shoe games. 97% betting efficiency I find a bit to low. I think RPC or Felt would be a better option. Both 99. But that is my own opinion!

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Learn Hi Lo. It's simple and effective for shoe games.

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[Deleted member 3273]

"Compatible yes. But you will need to offset the indices with the inherent deck imbalance of +1.
So a HILO index of +3 becomes +4 TR7, etc"


SO what you say is... "When you use the red seven count method true edge dividing by halve decks than you can use highlow indexes but you have to add 1 to each index number?

Thanks,

 

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[zengrifter]

I would like to know if true counting the red seven count is used with whole deck estimation, the same as high low count. Only than the index numbers are compatible. Otherwise we need to double the index numbers of highlow If i am using nearest 1/2 deck calculation using true edge method.

The R-7 imbalance is +2/deck, therefore we SUBTRACT to offset.

Hilo Index of +3 becomes TR7 index of +1.

See -
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=17616
http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?noframes;read=92956
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12936
http://www.bjmath.com/bin-cgi/count.pl?noframes;read=881 (Archive copy)

 

[zengrifter]

(Q1)
iS IT TRUE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO SET UP PIVOT NUMBER AT ZERO IF YOU ARE OK WITH MINUS COUNTS?

(Q2)
Anybody knows the high low indices for splitting TT v. 4-5-6 subtracting 2 getting TR7?

(Q3)
What is the advantage with KO hitting the pivot 4. Red Seven uses 0 as pivot number indicating a TC2 or 1/2% advantage. We use the KO running count +4 to raise our bets. Calculating TC using KO is easy but if I am not sure what the advantage actually is at that point cause KO works also with a indicator point what is-4. Anybody give me a worked out example here using KO

Lets say............-24 becomes -15 after 1 round has been played in a 6 deck game. decks left to play 4.5
that means -15/2x4.5=-15/9= -1.66%..> I am not sure what next cause I do not know how much the advantage is having running count of 4. If that is 1% than I have a -.5% disadvantage here. I only have to take acccount with the pivot number calculation TCKO?

For the index numbers I subtract 4 to get the high low indexes right? I am going to read those threats from you guys given to me a few times. Thanks to you both helping me out here.

I am not having that book KO and again I am using true edge here. so please finish the calculation here.

Thanks

Stork - I think that it is entirely LUDICROUS that you are struggling with TR7 (or is it TKO??). There is NOTHING whatsoever (FOR YOU)to gain from it over HiLo or the Uston Advanced Plus-Minus ( 3-7 vs 10-A ) that you were playing when I met you.

Sheer folly. Compounded by your obvious lack of clarity and constant shuffling about in your questions - TR7 one second and TKO the next. STOP IT!

Go back to Uston APM or proceed to HiLo.

The ONLY system other that ZEN or HiLO that you have heard me recommend at BJINFO, repeatedly, is Renzey's MENTOR - and soley for his use of the 2D TC approach. Snyder's True-Edge is a step in the wrong direction. zg

 

[Deleted member 3273]

Ok

Well Uston high low and high low are too weak for betting efficiency. that is my reason not to use it anymore. Playing any count is easy for me even uston APC I use at pitch games. Look if you do things for a certain time over and over you want to do something else to keep it interesting.

So I read, wanting to be confirmed. I have no problem with red seven TC unbalanced counts I thought put some questions there to see if am right! That is not struggle..Maybe a need to know I am right cause I am starting to play bigger amounts of money caused by bankroll growth.

But he thanks for calling me an "idiot!"

 

[zengrifter]

Well Uston high low and high low are too weak for betting efficiency. that is my reason not to use it anymore. Playing any count is easy for me even uston APC I use at pitch games. Look if you do things for a certain time over and over you want to do something else to keep it interesting.

So I read, wanting to be confirmed. I have no problem with red seven TC unbalanced counts I thought put some questions there to see if am right! That is not struggle..Maybe a need to know I am right cause I am starting to play bigger amounts of money caused by bankroll growth.

But he thanks for calling me an "idiot!"

I did not call you an "idiot".

Uston high low and high low are too weak for betting efficiency.

Can someone confirm the Stork's premise?
He is saying that the BE of HiLo and Uston 2-7 level-1 are a meaningful lower than R7? Anyone?
If someone can verify his premise and reason for dicking around with TR7 it would help me appreciate his recent efforts to upgrade his game. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Well Uston high low and high low are too weak for betting efficiency. that is my reason not to use it anymore. Playing any count is easy for me even uston APC I use at pitch games. Look if you do things for a certain time over and over you want to do something else to keep it interesting.

So I read, wanting to be confirmed. I have no problem with red seven TC unbalanced counts I thought put some questions there to see if am right! That is not struggle..Maybe a need to know I am right cause I am starting to play bigger amounts of money caused by bankroll growth.

But he thanks for calling me an "idiot!"

I did not call you an "idiot". I said "ludicrous" and "I think."

Uston high low and high low are too weak for betting efficiency.

Can someone confirm the Stork's premise?

He is saying that the BE of HiLo and Uston 2-7 level-1 are a meaningful lower than R7?
Anyone? zg

 

[Deleted member 3273]

"I have no problem with red seven TC unbalanced counts"
when pivot is 0

KO using keypoint -4, setting +4 as pivot# I start becoming confused about where to raise my bets after having calculated the TC IF I would use REKO TC or TKO?

That is all?

I like to know everything according my job profile even not using something!

 

[zengrifter]

"I have no problem with red seven TC unbalanced counts"
when pivot is 0

KO using keypoint -4, setting +4 as pivot# I start becoming confused about where to raise my bets after having calculated the TC IF I would use REKO TC or TKO?

That is all?

I like to know everything according my job profile even not using something!

Why does he keep jumping back and forth between R7 and KO in his questions?

Please, someone, as a favor to me... please help the Stork figure this out. English is NOT his first language. zg

 

[Solo player]

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This is from Qfit



http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

 

[zengrifter]

This is from Qfit

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

My read is what we already know - they are the same (KO, R7, and HiLo) is actual real-world play.

Stork? zg

 

[Deleted member 3273]

Yes

Well I play mainly shoe games. cause shoe games are less watch than pitch games. High low .97 betting efficiency, yes the other one .98 How ever True edge red seven or TKO will add somewhat to the advantage over KO or simple red seven.

I am starting to get into the 10.000 dollar figure now I am running fulltime since July, therefore want even a .99 for betting efficiency in the near future leaving me with wong halves, revere or felt count from Norm Wattenberger.

I just do not want anything less than .98 I know it does not make a lot of a different per hour rate for now but the huger my BR the more money I miss! I take any percent I can get!

For the rest cause I am single fulltime without agenda rolling through the country, I am studying threats for study purposes. I will try to get my questions a bit more clear in the future.

And when I open the box of chocolettes Zen, you may like to be my blackjack partner again! LOL considering you do not start screaming to me underestimating my intelligence! :laugh:

 

[assume_R]

It's not all about which count you use.

I just do not want anything less than .98 I know it does not make a lot of a different per hour rate for now but the huger my BR the more money I miss! I take any percent I can get!

At this point, you'll be getting a lot more percentages to your win rate by looking for fast dealers (you want lots of rounds per hour!), good penetration (how many cards dealt before each shuffle), and heads up (just you vs. the dealer).

All these situations will, in my opinion, be more important than any advantage you can get using Halves over TKO or HiLo, for example.

 

[zengrifter]

Well I play mainly shoe games. cause shoe games are less watch than pitch games. High low .97 betting efficiency, yes the other one .98 How ever True edge red seven or TKO will add somewhat to the advantage over KO or simple red seven.

Stork - just playing FIVE MINUTES LONGER per session is more EV increase than .98 vs .99. zg