So, I've been reading all of this. I'm a new face here, and not anyone of any note at the tables. But, this is a forum, and you have to participate in order for these things to work.
First, there have been some brilliant effing posts lately, by Abraham de Moivre, Zengrifter and Mayor, just to name a few. Those are the things that keep acolytes like me coming back. There's no amount of thanking I can do, so instead, I'll encourage you all to write more.
Second...I don't even know what the Yahoo CCCG *is*. Obviously it degenerated into a mess. Lots of forums do this. No matter what the subject is (though often the subjects are in the "low profile" arena), sometimes, groups just breakdown...little ego wars and the like. Rules get broken, toes get stepped on. Mayor has done an admirable job of clarifying his position as owner/moderator. He's posted his personal information, which...in this day and age...take balls. Mayor isn't a faceless name in the digital ether. He may edit a few words (and it's tempting to type a list to see which ones they are...hehehe), but at least his rules are clear.
I agree with his postion on not "outing" scam artists. It's destructive and creates dischord. What he does is debunks poor or faulty logic. He says, "Progression betting doesn't work...and here is why." And he does so in a clear and accessible manner. So...when Joe McScam tries to sell you a progression system...you don't NEED to know that he's trying to rip you off. You know his system doesn't work. By pointing out the fallicy behind the technique, you undermine the vehicle for the scam. Pointing fingers and naming names may feel good in a vindictive way...but does little to solve the problem. As many on this page point out...assuming a new identity in this world is an easy thing to do.
So...back to the game and this site. What does the group feel about the increasing traffic/celebrity of a group like this? Obviously, it's great to have fresh voices and new ideas. Mayor has next to no advertising support, so it's probably not paying his rent to have new faces. I wouldn't have found this page if not by luck (or some factor of probablity, for all of you pureists). But my experience with this kind of open forum is that, after a point, the celebrity is the undoing. Particularly since, to some degree, the anonymity factor has been reduced by the forum rules. How does all of this change the game? Rules in Vegas are getting worse. A lot of casinos are introducing the continuous shufflers. Is this a result of the growth of advantage play?
I don't know.
MGM has bought the MIT book's film rights. Will that effect the teams and groups playing once the scheme is made very public? (there's a parallel here that has to do with drug runners who want drugs to stay illegal so that they can maintain a profit...but I just can't make it work)
There will always be more suckers than pro's. There will always be people like me who only 'kind of' know basic strategy and +/- counting and thus lose their bankrolls in the details. But in a big way, the less "common knowledge" card counting is, the more mythical, the less likey the casinos are to change their rules to combat the real players out there.
Anyways, it's Friday night. I'm not making much sense. Time to go home.
If anything coherent comes out of this post it's that I appreciate the info here, and want to see it thrive and learn as much as I can. I hope that this forum CAN be the Switzerland of counting pages.
Cheers
First, there have been some brilliant effing posts lately, by Abraham de Moivre, Zengrifter and Mayor, just to name a few. Those are the things that keep acolytes like me coming back. There's no amount of thanking I can do, so instead, I'll encourage you all to write more.
Second...I don't even know what the Yahoo CCCG *is*. Obviously it degenerated into a mess. Lots of forums do this. No matter what the subject is (though often the subjects are in the "low profile" arena), sometimes, groups just breakdown...little ego wars and the like. Rules get broken, toes get stepped on. Mayor has done an admirable job of clarifying his position as owner/moderator. He's posted his personal information, which...in this day and age...take balls. Mayor isn't a faceless name in the digital ether. He may edit a few words (and it's tempting to type a list to see which ones they are...hehehe), but at least his rules are clear.
I agree with his postion on not "outing" scam artists. It's destructive and creates dischord. What he does is debunks poor or faulty logic. He says, "Progression betting doesn't work...and here is why." And he does so in a clear and accessible manner. So...when Joe McScam tries to sell you a progression system...you don't NEED to know that he's trying to rip you off. You know his system doesn't work. By pointing out the fallicy behind the technique, you undermine the vehicle for the scam. Pointing fingers and naming names may feel good in a vindictive way...but does little to solve the problem. As many on this page point out...assuming a new identity in this world is an easy thing to do.
So...back to the game and this site. What does the group feel about the increasing traffic/celebrity of a group like this? Obviously, it's great to have fresh voices and new ideas. Mayor has next to no advertising support, so it's probably not paying his rent to have new faces. I wouldn't have found this page if not by luck (or some factor of probablity, for all of you pureists). But my experience with this kind of open forum is that, after a point, the celebrity is the undoing. Particularly since, to some degree, the anonymity factor has been reduced by the forum rules. How does all of this change the game? Rules in Vegas are getting worse. A lot of casinos are introducing the continuous shufflers. Is this a result of the growth of advantage play?
I don't know.
MGM has bought the MIT book's film rights. Will that effect the teams and groups playing once the scheme is made very public? (there's a parallel here that has to do with drug runners who want drugs to stay illegal so that they can maintain a profit...but I just can't make it work)
There will always be more suckers than pro's. There will always be people like me who only 'kind of' know basic strategy and +/- counting and thus lose their bankrolls in the details. But in a big way, the less "common knowledge" card counting is, the more mythical, the less likey the casinos are to change their rules to combat the real players out there.
Anyways, it's Friday night. I'm not making much sense. Time to go home.
If anything coherent comes out of this post it's that I appreciate the info here, and want to see it thrive and learn as much as I can. I hope that this forum CAN be the Switzerland of counting pages.
Cheers
