Texas Hold 'Em Bonus -- Is AP possible?

tensplitter

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To pass the time in the evening with crowded blackjack tables and to get points to justify my comped room, I played Texas Hold 'Em Bonus. I got the 2 players next to me to show me their hands and inferred what the other players had based on their raising after the flop and their emotions, something you don't observe in regular poker since this game is only player vs dealer. Of course I never bet the sucker Bonus bet. I played for about an hour and left when I broke even exactly.

http://wizardofodds.com/texasholdembonus

Basically, it's limit hold 'em only against the dealer with a structured raise. If I play this game at a full table and know everyone's hole cards, could it provide a positive edge for me?

To beat the house edge, I would only need to fold two hands per hour that would have lost if I raised assuming optimal strategy. I would otherwise play (such as 9-4 unsuited when 2 other players have 9s, or folding 9-4 suited when the other players have 3 or more of the same suit). Or I might raise a 2-5 suited if I don't see other players have a card of the same suit or no 2's or 5's. And I would raise the lowest pair on the flop if other players also have higher pairs, thereby reducing the chance the dealer has a higher pair.

At the game I played, the dealer and pit boss didn't care that the players compared hands and the other players were willing to show me their hands since it gave them an advantage too.

If I can see 20% of the deck before the flop, I'm sure I could make some good basic strategy deviations on when to fold or not. Sometimes I could even see the bottom card so I can assume that card will never be played.
 

Brock Windsor

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1357111317 said:
You can't beat it by just seeing other players cards.
For the good games (ante pays trip 10's or better in some stores) I haven't seen for certain that this statement is true in theory. Though from a practical standpoint I would agree.

The second practical condition is that you would need a strategy for optimal post flop play with the added information. I would suggest the OP is likely not playing optimally post flop to begin with as the published strategy for such is quite cumbersome.
-BW
 

1357111317

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21forme said:
This is from the same guy who thinks there are good DD games downtown.
If you were referring to me then i think you are mistaken, I have never been to vegas.

Maybe with a computer seeing all other players holecards you might be able to get the game close to BE or maybe even slightly positive but there is no practical way of using this info.
 

Lonesome Gambler

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1357111317 said:
If you were referring to me then i think you are mistaken, I have never been to vegas.
I doubt he was referring to you, but rather tensplitter; if he was, the statement is doubly ironic, given what the implication of your post is (making for some certainly "good" DD games downtown).
 
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