The Straw That Broke the Camels Back
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One part of Three's story that I always had a really hard time believing was him always saying that he was very successful while at the same time getting the best of comps available, and almost always be welcomed back. He would emphasize this and attribute it to using a system that completely fooled the house. Complete bullshit! All the house knows is the bottom line and he would not fit the equation. So the possibility is that if his story is true he was more than likely barred everywhere.
There were and continue to be a number of issues with T3's story. 
For one thing you don't "fool" the house anymore. For the better part of a decade casinos have been utilizing software for evaluations of players. A more complex count is actually going to line up more accurately with the perfect play effect of removal that the software establishes. So T3 and anyone who argues that their "better" count is benefiting them in this regard is actually 100% wrong and backwards. You aren't going to "fool" the software or the house any more. Those days are gone. Now a days it is about identifying tolerance and comfort levels of casinos and pit that will allow you to avoid those evaluations in the first place. And it is about playing shorter sessions so you don't provide enough information for those evaluations (as least in one sitting).
It actually irked me quite about that T3 stole my ideas of identifying tolerance and comfort levels. After I was banned, he began using the same exact words and terminology that I had used. There is nothing wrong with incorporating ideas and things learned from others. God knows.....that is my whole game.....things learned from others and incorporated into my own game sometimes with my own little spin. But it just never felt to me like that is what he was doing. It felt like he was stealing my thoughts as his own. This is in part why I had such a problem with him. And to his credit, fairly recently (in the last years or so) he admitted that "I had an influence on him". It just felt more than that at the time....it felt like he was intentionally stealing.
The second big issue with T3's story continues to be that when he was finally busted....completely debunked by Don S, T3 came back with that he wasn't even talking about regular blackjack with all his claims. Instead he claims to have been talking about SP21, but was unable to say so at the time. THIS also is complete BS. If you go back and read some of the stuff, it is extremely clear what he was talking about.
So other than that....it is/was a great 'story'.
For one thing you don't "fool" the house anymore. For the better part of a decade casinos have been utilizing software for evaluations of players. A more complex count is actually going to line up more accurately with the perfect play effect of removal that the software establishes. So T3 and anyone who argues that their "better" count is benefiting them in this regard is actually 100% wrong and backwards. You aren't going to "fool" the software or the house any more. Those days are gone. Now a days it is about identifying tolerance and comfort levels of casinos and pit that will allow you to avoid those evaluations in the first place. And it is about playing shorter sessions so you don't provide enough information for those evaluations (as least in one sitting).
It actually irked me quite about that T3 stole my ideas of identifying tolerance and comfort levels. After I was banned, he began using the same exact words and terminology that I had used.
There is nothing wrong with incorporating ideas and things learned from others. God knows.....that is my whole game.....things learned from others and incorporated into my own game sometimes with my own little spin. But it just never felt to me like that is what he was doing. It felt like he was stealing my thoughts as his own. This is in part why I had such a problem with him. And to his credit, fairly recently (in the last years or so) he admitted that "I had an influence on him". It just felt more than that at the time....it felt like he was intentionally stealing. The second big issue with T3's story continues to be that when he was finally busted....completely debunked by Don S, T3 came back with that he wasn't even talking about regular blackjack with all his claims. Instead he claims to have been talking about SP21, but was unable to say so at the time. THIS also is complete BS. If you go back and read some of the stuff, it is extremely clear what he was talking about.
So other than that....it is/was a great 'story'.
Quoting Moses from the Island:
"I prefer the term, don't "insult" the EITS as opposed to "fool" the house. SP21 is a completely different game than the blackjack shoe game? The single deck straight up also has it's own agenda.
From the lyrics, As Time Goes By, "A smile is just a smile" - "A chip is just a chip." Stepping up in color equates to less time at the tables and a smaller spread. But also less interrupted sessions. Discipline, knowledge, patience, and not being greedy are the keys to profit along with longevity. AND smile when you don't feel like smiling."
Now I consider the above quote as very good advice to follow for most anyone playing the game. See KJ, I am not wasting my time visiting that site. Moses has been talking like that for years. Just respect each other and that will go a long way to settling differences.
"I prefer the term, don't "insult" the EITS as opposed to "fool" the house. SP21 is a completely different game than the blackjack shoe game? The single deck straight up also has it's own agenda.
From the lyrics, As Time Goes By, "A smile is just a smile" - "A chip is just a chip." Stepping up in color equates to less time at the tables and a smaller spread. But also less interrupted sessions. Discipline, knowledge, patience, and not being greedy are the keys to profit along with longevity. AND smile when you don't feel like smiling."
Now I consider the above quote as very good advice to follow for most anyone playing the game. See KJ, I am not wasting my time visiting that site. Moses has been talking like that for years. Just respect each other and that will go a long way to settling differences.
BoSox, I asked you a question last week that you have not answered. Have you been to and played Reno in the last few years?
This is extremely relevant because if you have you should know that a player simply can not play the betting levels that Moses claims there on a regular basis. For short visits, maybe, but not what Moses is claiming for 30 years. And again the follow up question is, does this not bother you? That makes it very hard to accept almost anything else he says.
"Some people never see the light until the day they die". ---Neil Diamond (I've been this way before)
See the light Bosox! Don't go towards it just yet, but see it.
This is extremely relevant because if you have you should know that a player simply can not play the betting levels that Moses claims there on a regular basis. For short visits, maybe, but not what Moses is claiming for 30 years. And again the follow up question is, does this not bother you? That makes it very hard to accept almost anything else he says.
"Some people never see the light until the day they die". ---Neil Diamond (I've been this way before)
See the light Bosox! Don't go towards it just yet, but see it.
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And since BoSox brought Moses into this discussion and thread about T3, I have always thought there is a similarity.
I believe both are low limit red chip players. Moses because that is all you can play on a regular basis where he claims to have played for decades. T3 because that is how he described himself for a decade on this forum (pre-reincarnation) and before he announced at BJTF that he was transforming himself into one of the blackjack "greats".
And let's be clear here, there is nothing wrong with being a lower limit, part-time recreational type player. I have learned a lot from some very knowledgeable players that fit this description.
I also believe that both T3 and Moses possess a lot of blackjack knowledge. Undoubtedly more than me. And both are fascinated by the mathematics of the game and in particular, some of the thinking from last century (1980's), regarding custom counts and the benefits. Probably because they were both playing at that time.
And both falsely claim that the 'super duper' custom counts that they promote eliminate or nearly eliminate variance. And this is probably the most disturbing part. Moses goes as far as to mock the variance and swings that I share as part of my experiences while claiming he has eliminated variance.
But it is NOT the 1980's anymore. As we go into the third decade of the 2000's, that is NOT how you beat these inferior games of today. And the result is that their approach from yesteryear only serves to mislead newer players of today and I feel that is at least somewhat intentional. For what purpose….I don't know?
I believe both are low limit red chip players. Moses because that is all you can play on a regular basis where he claims to have played for decades. T3 because that is how he described himself for a decade on this forum (pre-reincarnation) and before he announced at BJTF that he was transforming himself into one of the blackjack "greats".
And let's be clear here, there is nothing wrong with being a lower limit, part-time recreational type player. I have learned a lot from some very knowledgeable players that fit this description.
I also believe that both T3 and Moses possess a lot of blackjack knowledge. Undoubtedly more than me. And both are fascinated by the mathematics of the game and in particular, some of the thinking from last century (1980's), regarding custom counts and the benefits. Probably because they were both playing at that time.
And both falsely claim that the 'super duper' custom counts that they promote eliminate or nearly eliminate variance. And this is probably the most disturbing part. Moses goes as far as to mock the variance and swings that I share as part of my experiences while claiming he has eliminated variance.
But it is NOT the 1980's anymore. As we go into the third decade of the 2000's, that is NOT how you beat these inferior games of today. And the result is that their approach from yesteryear only serves to mislead newer players of today and I feel that is at least somewhat intentional. For what purpose….I don't know?
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Other than for longevity purposes whatever betting levels Moses or anyone else on these boards play at is none of my business. That is as far as I go on that subject.
How can you say that and then follow it up in the next post with this contradictory quote?
The knowledge that any poster possesses or claims to, will quickly be recognized by the membership as a whole for validity or for lack of clear understanding, otherwise known as bullshit. You cannot fake your way through it. All I am interested in is the knowledge that retired or active players already learned or are learning throughout their lifetime. You, 21forme, and CIF want to dismiss what Moses has to say be my guest, just leave me out of it.
How can you say that and then follow it up in the next post with this contradictory quote?
The knowledge that any poster possesses or claims to, will quickly be recognized by the membership as a whole for validity or for lack of clear understanding, otherwise known as bullshit. You cannot fake your way through it. All I am interested in is the knowledge that retired or active players already learned or are learning throughout their lifetime. You, 21forme, and CIF want to dismiss what Moses has to say be my guest, just leave me out of it.
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Of course Moses is banned from this forum....probably twice.
The only forum he is not banned from is WoV and that is because it is so tightly moderated, he is smart enough to know that he couldn't last there, so he has an account with about 10 posts but never posts. However I believe he was banned at WoV under a different name Sid the Squid. Sid the squid was asking members for personal information on me, name, address, phone number photo. The only other person that I have encountered that would go to this extreme and showing up at people's homes is Moses. That is why I believe they are the same. And Sid the squid is banned here as well, thus my comment that Moses may be banned twice from this site.
The only forum he is not banned from is WoV and that is because it is so tightly moderated, he is smart enough to know that he couldn't last there, so he has an account with about 10 posts but never posts. However I believe he was banned at WoV under a different name Sid the Squid. Sid the squid was asking members for personal information on me, name, address, phone number photo. The only other person that I have encountered that would go to this extreme and showing up at people's homes is Moses. That is why I believe they are the same. And Sid the squid is banned here as well, thus my comment that Moses may be banned twice from this site.