total beginner on blackjack and counting

#21
What intrigues me is how much someone is giving up by playing a no DAS game as if it were a DAS game before figuring out their error. When I go In to a new casino I don't ask 21 questions regarding the rules of the game because it sounds a little too non-casual to me. When I get a hand like 66 vs 2 maybe I should ask the dealer if I can DAS though.
 

DSchles

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#23
JohnCrover said:
What intrigues me is how much someone is giving up by playing a no DAS game as if it were a DAS game before figuring out their error. When I go In to a new casino I don't ask 21 questions regarding the rules of the game because it sounds a little too non-casual to me. When I get a hand like 66 vs 2 maybe I should ask the dealer if I can DAS though.
No, you should know this ahead of time. It should be on the placard on the table, which gives the rules. And, if possible, you should know before you even go to the casino.

Don
 

KewlJ

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#24
DSchles said:
No, you should know this ahead of time. It should be on the placard on the table, which gives the rules. And, if possible, you should know before you even go to the casino.

Don
Should be but isn't always. 6:5 isn't even always posted anymore.

I have gotten burned playing 6:5 (outside reg rotation) not realizing it until I got a blackjack. I try to ask, especially out of rotation, but often forget to do so.
 

21forme

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#25
KewlJ said:
6:5 isn't even always posted anymore
Isn't that required by NGC?
I've seen it in very small print on some electronic signs, but have never not seen it.

Hope the double negative is OK, Don :)
 

beating vegas

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#26
X Excalibur X said:
Hi - thanks for reply - Casinos are still closed in the UK so no chance yet to have my first game and practice Basic stategy - Been practising Renzeys Kiss count 1 for now and seem to have this nailed!

Coincidently on Page 198 of Renzeys Blackjack Bluebook 2 - there is a ''100 Counting Base'' which was my question when i kick started this forum question - Spooky

Your question has been answered already
By another member.

I Think the 100 adjustment to high low is not needed. It’s a easy count.

or use kiss. Just make sure you understand BS before you practice counting.
 
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beating vegas

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KewlJ said:
Should be but isn't always. 6:5 isn't even always posted anymore.

I have gotten burned playing 6:5 (outside reg rotation) not realizing it until I got a blackjack. I try to ask, especially out of rotation, but often forget to do so.
It wasn't on the table ?
 
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KewlJ

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#29
beating vegas said:
It wasn't on the table ?
Nope. Larry is correct. They used to have it on the felt but no longer do....at least here in Vegas. You really do have to ask if you don't want to be surprised.

Most places I play $25 or $50 tables and they aren't 6:5, so you don't have to ask. But some of the smaller, local type places, I may end up on an uncrowded $10 table and if you don't ask you may get surprised. Happened a couple times this year before the shutdown. One of them was Sunset Station.
 

LC Larry

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#30
You may also find a complete mix of felt layouts. One table might have the "BLACKJACK PAYS 3:2" while the one next to it might not say anything and the one past that might also be blank but have the small sign near the table limits sign. Never assume anything.
 

KewlJ

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#32
21forme said:
I have phrased the question as, "Is this 3:2 blackjack or short-pay blackjack?"
Now you know that doesn't matter in the slightest to either the dealer or pit person that you say that to, right? :p

I mean, I do a variation of that as well. On those occasions that I get "surprised" like I mentioned earlier, I will immediately throw a trumped up, phony "fit", saying something like "oh this is that crappy 6:5 that the casino is cheating the players at" and I immediately color up. I know it does no good, but it makes me feel better that I have made my point and maybe, just maybe it might drive away another player or two. That would make it worth while. :cool:
 

21forme

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#35
KewlJ said:
Now you know that doesn't matter in the slightest to either the dealer or pit person that you say that to, right?
I know, but it makes me feel better. :)

I've had an occasional ploppy ask what I mean by that. Then I say for every $100 bet, the casino short changes you $30 on a BJ.
 
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