unbalanced bet spread.

BJLover

Well-Known Member
hi there folks,

I currently use the red seven count with only 6 strategy changes, (80% of all counting gains)
I have just started using casino verite to simulate trips to the casino i use, rules;6 decks, no dealer hole card, s17,das, double 9,10,11 only, 80% pen.
I have got basic strategy down cold, the count is no problam(well in my house on laptop anyway,haha), memorized strategy changes no bother,

My bet spread is 1-8 (£3-£24)
I start my count at start of the shoe -12
my bets go rc < 0 =1 unit
0 -5 = 2 units
6- 7 = 3 units
8-11 = 4 units
>=12 = 8 units


How do i go about increasing my bet spread to say 1-16???
I know when i reach the pivot '0' that my advantage is approx 0.5%, and obviously increases as the count climbs beyond that, the reason i am wanting to increase my bet spread is because there are only 3 tables at the casino i go to, so wonging in/out is not practical, i know from what i have read that shoe games are quite hard to beat, not being able to wong in/out hurts but they deal 5 out of the 6 decks(80% pen) and am pretty sure i could get away with a big bet spread.

i was thinking of something like this

r/c
<0 = 1 unit
0 =2 units
2 =4units
4 =6 units
6 =8units
8 =10units
10=12 units
12= 14units
>=15= 16 units

is this spread too aggressive?? i think i will get away with it, just want to know your views on it???

i am of the view that if you have the advantage you can just bet more and look forward to the long run, is this the correct way to think?, obviously i would take into consideration the possiblity of over betting bankroll and adjust it according to my big bets.

any comments would be a help
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
BJLover said:
..... the reason i am wanting to increase my bet spread is because there are only 3 tables at the casino i go to, so wonging in/out is not practical, i know from what i have read that shoe games are quite hard to beat, not being able to wong in/out hurts but they deal 5 out of the 6 decks(80% pen) and am pretty sure i could get away with a big bet spread.
i can't help you with your bet spread as i'm not proficient with red 7.
one comment though. you may be able to get away with some wonging out.
you could try just waving the dealer off as far as your hand is concerned every once in a while also you should be able to get up for a potty break every so often. some limited wonging out along with an increased bet spread could work well for you.

best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 

Cass

Well-Known Member
BJLover said:
hi there folks,

I currently use the red seven count with only 6 strategy changes, (80% of all counting gains)
I have just started using casino verite to simulate trips to the casino i use, rules;6 decks, no dealer hole card, s17,das, double 9,10,11 only, 80% pen.
I have got basic strategy down cold, the count is no problam(well in my house on laptop anyway,haha), memorized strategy changes no bother,

My bet spread is 1-8 (£3-£24)
I start my count at start of the shoe -12
my bets go rc < 0 =1 unit
0 -5 = 2 units
6- 7 = 3 units
8-11 = 4 units
>=12 = 8 units


How do i go about increasing my bet spread to say 1-16???
I know when i reach the pivot '0' that my advantage is approx 0.5%, and obviously increases as the count climbs beyond that, the reason i am wanting to increase my bet spread is because there are only 3 tables at the casino i go to, so wonging in/out is not practical, i know from what i have read that shoe games are quite hard to beat, not being able to wong in/out hurts but they deal 5 out of the 6 decks(80% pen) and am pretty sure i could get away with a big bet spread.

i was thinking of something like this

r/c
<0 = 1 unit
0 =2 units
2 =4units
4 =6 units
6 =8units
8 =10units
10=12 units
12= 14units
>=15= 16 units

is this spread too aggressive?? i think i will get away with it, just want to know your views on it???

i am of the view that if you have the advantage you can just bet more and look forward to the long run, is this the correct way to think?, obviously i would take into consideration the possiblity of over betting bankroll and adjust it according to my big bets.

any comments would be a help


Well I think your count system is similar to mine. It is a unbalanced system like kiss III.

Here is how I would bet it:

0=3u
1=6u
2=8u
3=10u
4=12u
>+5=16u
 
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