Using Side count with hi-lo ?

NightStalker

Well-Known Member
I currently use hi-lo with side count of aces.
I am aware of RC changes for specific hands with respect to excess aces dealt. When I play hands like: 10Vs 10, 9Vs 7,99Vs7, 16VsAnything, 11VsAnything,Insurance... I adjust playing RC with my SC of aces as::

Let n=excess aces dealt
Playing RC = hi-lo RC +(m)*n
where m= multiplying factor varies based on the hand.
Like 10Vs 10, m=-1 as ace=valuable high card.
Insurance m=+2 as ace=small card

I am planning to incorporate SC of sevens in my game. How can I find which all plays needs to be altered. To be more precise:
Primary count: hi-lo
Side count: A=-1, 7 =+1

At which all hands I need to change the playing RC and by which multiplying factor? How can I find those numbers? Can I customize CVData for the same.

Any help/online reference will be appreciated.
 

UK-21

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For single deck games, I would think that a count that doesn't take into account three out of every thirteen cards is missing a lot. A nine will always beat a seven (or an eight), and with a relatively small number of cards in play this could mean times when you have a mathematical advantage but aren't betting to it?

Wouldn't one of the level 2 counts, that take account of the 7s and 9s be better?

Not an issue for us in the UK of course, as currently there isn't any single deck BJ on offer.
 

NightStalker

Well-Known Member
sc is better

than next level counts. I personally don't like single deck and has played it only once in Reno. But I do play double deck. As per my math,
SC will be better than counts assigning values for 7/9 because I'm adjusting my RC for specific playing decision with the relevance of specific deficit of rank.
 
You'll find a lot of the information you need in Griffin's Theory of Blackjack pgs. 74-85. Those tables are invaluable to anyone who screws around with playing strategies.

The 7 is an interesting card, surprisingly acting like a low card for the powerful 16 vs. 10 decision.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
Automatic Monkey said:
The 7 is an interesting card, surprisingly acting like a low card for the powerful 16 vs. 10 decision.
What's the theory behind this?
 

mmeyers

Member
Using side count with OPP

I am just curious can an ace side count be used with opp to make it more powerful? If so, how? Also, I read somewhere that Kim Lee said that counting the 7 as a low card could improve the performance of opp. I believe he said this would cause the pivot point to increase by 4. Has anyone run any simulations to verify this claim?
 
aslan said:
What's the theory behind this?
It's because if the dealer is more likely to have a 7 down, you'd be more likely to hit. You can beat a 17.

6 is the most powerful card for this playing decision, because a 6 will both bust you and give the dealer a 16 which is something you'd wish you stood against.
 

aslan

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Automatic Monkey said:
It's because if the dealer is more likely to have a 7 down, you'd be more likely to hit. You can beat a 17.

6 is the most powerful card for this playing decision, because a 6 will both bust you and give the dealer a 16 which is something you'd wish you stood against.
The more I know, the more I know I don't know.:(
 

NightStalker

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hands where 7 is valuable

9 Vs 4 Excess of 7 remaining is a loss, prefer to hit
9 Vs 3 Excess of 7 remaining is a loss, prefer to hit
your total =16 and dealer very well make 20/21
 
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