Very annoying people - How to handle?

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FreeStyle

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Seriously, I need some help handling some of these people at the low limits tables. They are always freaking out by my plays. Doesn't matter what I do, if they are losing they are pissed at me.

I stand out pretty well, I'm one of the few white people at the table and am younger than the 35+ year olds there. However, they are all under the impression that I am an idiot and need help for every hand. Makes counting nearly impossible. The other day I had a chance to play at a $5 game which I usually don't do considering my bankroll. It was much more chill (which is why I sat down in the first place) and I couldn't believe how well I was able to keep the count. Much easier, much less stressful.

But the fact of the matter is that I have to play at the $2 tables for now since I don't have much money. I just can't stand the regulars! They yell at everyone (even eachother). In one incident an old man didn't hit a soft 17. The dealer didn't bust and this one woman in particular blamed him! She wouldn't drop it for 3 hands saying it "threw off the cards".

Then she started freaking on me cause I wanted to sit in 3rd base. She said "Only real gamblers that can feel things should sit there." I ended up leaving anyways after a few hands since the dealer was really bitchy and way too fast. But man! I don't know how to deal with these people next time I go. Any ideas?
 
somtum

somtum

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Yes, we all have to put up with the ploppies yelling at us one time or another. Quite often it even happens when you use basic strategy moves that a majority of players don't use such as hitting A7 vs 9 or 12 vs 3 and Splitting 9's vs 9

I once saw a guy split 3's vs 10. A few hands later I hit my 12 vs 4 because the count was negative.. Then Mister split 3's against dealer's 10 decides to blame me for messing up the table while his blackjack play was atrocious.

When people lose they need someone to blame. I saw a lady once throwing a temper tantrum and cussing out the dealer and blaming the dealer for her losing streak. She then left the table after she was told to quiet down by the pit boss not before saying a few more choice words.
 
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Homeschool

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First off, tell those people that they can tell you what to do when they start putting the money on your circle. You could always be a douchebag right back to them, or if needed just flat out tell them to pack sand.

Second, those annoying people that talk about the "flow of the cards" and "real gamblers that can feel it", those people you just can't stand that you wish would go away and try to ignore.......those are the people you should act like.....because those people are real ploppies. That's the kind of persona you want the dealer and PC's and other players noticing and remembering you for (with the exception of yelling at the staff or overly drawing attention to yourself of course). Not the quiet, attentive, always looking at the cards, always consistently winning young white guy that likes to sit at third base. Play the part......;)

Homeschool
 
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Bondy3

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Homeschool said:
Those annoying people that talk about the "flow of the cards" and "real gamblers that can feel it", those people you just can't stand that you wish would go away and try to ignore.......those are the people you should act like.....because those people are real ploppies. That's the kind of persona you want the dealer and PC's and other players noticing and remembering you for (with the exception of yelling at the staff or overly drawing attention to yourself of course). Not the quiet, attentive, always looking at the cards, always consistently winning young white guy that likes to sit at third base. Play the part......;)
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I like being quiet, attentive, always looking at the cards and always consistently winning.

As one of the few young athletic white guys in the casino that I go to, I think I stand out, a few of the pit bosses know my first name before I even give them my card now... I have never been backed off for counting, even though I know for a fact that some of the staff knows that I count.
 
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assume_R

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Bondy3 said:
I like being quiet, attentive, always looking at the cards and always consistently winning.

I have never been backed off for counting, even though I know for a fact that some of the staff knows that I count.
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Watch out for your longevity with these traits! Don't want to burn through a favorite casino of yours. Eventually they may not take too kindly to this.

Just some friendly pieces of advice :)
 
QFIT

QFIT

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There are other people in the casino?

Sorry, I'm going to repeat this post every time someone complains about idiots. Look at it this way. If the majority of players knew what they were doing, casinos would either go bankrupt or make it totally impossible to win. A mistake for everyone. It is a requirement that you share the casino with idiots. So, revel in their idiocy.
 
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Cardcounter

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If you have a really close play like 16 vs a 10 ask them how should I play the hand than ask them to back you up if you lose the hand. If they say hit and you bust they might give you your money back.
 
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Meistro

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First of all, you need to develop a tough skin. Don't be sensitive - they can and will eat you alive. While I prefer to play alone most of the time, other players at the table can be a liability or an asset. The worst trait - aside from someone trying to steal your chips, I suppose - is someone who takes FOREVER to make any decision. I will wong out very early with some of these time thieves at my table, even in positive counts. On the other hand, especially if you are on a short roll, a real boon for you would be the doublers for less. Get in their good graces and join in their half doubles on eleven. In negative counts these people are eating up bad cards. In positive counts you want them off your table. What are they whining about - do it blatantly. Chase them off.
 
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FreeStyle

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I appreciate all the advice.

As far as acting like a ploppy, it's hard. I'm a very reserved and quiet person to begin with. I'm shy and withdrawn. However, I'm not stupid...I usually put on the confused act. I have even asked for and taken advice it if it is agreeable with the count/bs. I really am trying to get more chatty though.
 
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fsscout

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I live in Las Vegas and have been counting cards for years and I consistantly win. I am a low stakes player, my max bet is $40. I realize that many "so called" experts say 3rd base is the best place to play because it allows you to see more cards and thus you can adjust your play accordingly. I prefer first base. My reasoning is that when the count is in my favor I have a better chance of getting good cards, especially when there are a lot of aces left, than sitting at 3rd base when several cards are dealt out and the count may significantly change before you get your first card and especially your second card.

Also everybody is watching the play of the guy at 3rd base and thus he is blamed when the cards don't fall just right. The guy at first base doesn't usually get this kind of crap from the other players. Of course these players are idiots. I don't blame anyone when I lose a hand. In the long run when there is a bad player at 3rd base his bad play helps you as often as it hurts you. We only remember the times when it hurts you. If you are a good counter then you know that there are a few times when you shouldn't
make the obvious basic strategy play. So expect the heat from the other players when you make those plays and they lose.

If you are thin skinned and don't like the comments from the knuckleheaded majority then sit as close to 1st base as possible. Real experts know that it doesn't really matter where you sit if you truly know how to count cards.
 
creeping panther

creeping panther

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fsscout said:
I live in Las Vegas and have been counting cards for years and I consistantly win. I am a low stakes player, my max bet is $40. I realize that many "so called" experts say 3rd base is the best place to play because it allows you to see more cards and thus you can adjust your play accordingly. I prefer first base. My reasoning is that when the count is in my favor I have a better chance of getting good cards, especially when there are a lot of aces left, than sitting at 3rd base when several cards are dealt out and the count may significantly change before you get your first card and especially your second card.

Also everybody is watching the play of the guy at 3rd base and thus he is blamed when the cards don't fall just right. The guy at first base doesn't usually get this kind of crap from the other players. Of course these players are idiots. I don't blame anyone when I lose a hand. In the long run when there is a bad player at 3rd base his bad play helps you as often as it hurts you. We only remember the times when it hurts you. If you are a good counter then you know that there are a few times when you shouldn't
make the obvious basic strategy play. So expect the heat from the other players when you make those plays and they lose.

If you are thin skinned and don't like the comments from the knuckleheaded majority then sit as close to 1st base as possible. Real experts know that it doesn't really matter where you sit if you truly know how to count cards.
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Haven't you just contradicted yourself as to 1st getting the best cards and then stating that "real experts know that it doesn't really matter where you sit":confused: :)

Does living and playing in Vegas make one an expert on gaming?:);)

CP
 
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21gunsalute

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FreeStyle said:
Then she started freaking on me cause I wanted to sit in 3rd base. She said "Only real gamblers that can feel things should sit there."
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You should have grabbed her boobs and then said "You're right. I feel nothing."
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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ten commandments of gambling

on the matter of annoying people....
again the Wiz of Odds shows his wisdom:
http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tencom.html

commandment number ten is ignored at your peril when it comes to some of the low life's that inhabit casinos.

just give one of those types a genuine reason (no matter how small or innocent) to have a case on you and you've turned what could just be a stressful situation into a real hell hole.:devil::whip:
 
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LIB

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a way out

If we "offered" the hand in question to whomever is giving uninvited advices, and if this nosy neighbor were willing to take the "offer" for whatever reason, this could be a make-shift opportunity that functions as a surrender for hands with a negative expectation. I believe James Grosjean talks of this in his article about Scavenger Blackjack, but my memory fails me.

For all we know, this person could be concerned about his/her image enough to buy a sucker hand or two from us to appear "powerful"; it seems to me that some people define that word as being impulsive and insufficiently informed.
 
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