What Does This Mean For Us

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davidpom

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Theoretically our comps will improve, as they try to get more customers through the doors.

More disturbing is Harrahs continued takeover of the strip... they'll soon have almost all of one side the way they are going. And these guys were the first to introduce 6-to-5 payout blackjack.... so expect worse games from these guys over time.

Personally, I think Las Vegas will gradually go towards even better odds for the player as competition really does go dog-eat-dog and only the tough or big survive. But if it doesn't - play online or go to other areas like Macau!

Good luck to us all!
 
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QFIT

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davidpom said:
Theoretically our comps will improve, as they try to get more customers through the doors.

More disturbing is Harrahs continued takeover of the strip... they'll soon have almost all of one side the way they are going. And these guys were the first to introduce 6-to-5 payout blackjack.... so expect worse games from these guys over time.

Personally, I think Las Vegas will gradually go towards even better odds for the player as competition really does go dog-eat-dog and only the tough or big survive. But if it doesn't - play online or go to other areas like Macau!

Good luck to us all!
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See my signature.
 
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kewljason

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Seaclusion said:
The LV casinos lost a staggering amount of money last year. Do you think this will influence the games they offer? The comps? The heat?

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/top-stocks/blog.aspx?post=1648881&_blg=1,1648881 (Archive copy)
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In my opinion, the continuing decline in revenue by casinos both in Las Vegas and other places like AC as well, is less about the downturn in the economy (although that certainly played a part) and more about the over saturation of gaming destinations and number of casinos across the US. A simply case of supply far overreaching demand.

The end result has to be downsizing. consolidation and closure of properties unable to compete. And I beleive it will be across the board, not just lower end properties. Some high end properties just won't make it.

I also believe the Revel property in AC will never be completed nor open. Financing will dry up, they will halt construction temporarily until the financial climate improves. It will sit there fenced off and decaying for a number of years until they tear it down. I also am not convinced the same fate dosen't await Fontainebleau in Vegas, despite the new ownership.

Now back to the title of the thread, "what does it mean for us"??

I hope it means the remaining casinos and locations will actually compete for players offering better games, conditions, comps ect. Probably wishful thinking, but that is my hope. :eek:
 
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Seaclusion

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I too hope it means more competition, but I am not sure the games will get better.

Here in NM the casinos have been gradually upping the freeplay, matchplay, and hotseat type drawings. They are really giving it out for new players card sign-ups. Last week I went to a casino I had never been to an recieved $140in freeplay for signing up.

Unfortunately the games have not gotten any better. All the single deck games are 6:5 when you can find them and all but one casino are H17.
 
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Goma

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davidpom said:
Theoretically our comps will improve, as they try to get more customers through the doors.

More disturbing is Harrahs continued takeover of the strip... they'll soon have almost all of one side the way they are going. And these guys were the first to introduce 6-to-5 payout blackjack.... so expect worse games from these guys over time.

Personally, I think Las Vegas will gradually go towards even better odds for the player as competition really does go dog-eat-dog and only the tough or big survive. But if it doesn't - play online or go to other areas like Macau!

Good luck to us all!
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Hi David,

the casino I go to they have the virtual blackjack machine, shuffle every 207 cards with 6 decks. I tried counting but even when the TC goes up by +3 you still loose because the dealer gets it always BJ or 2 face. I wonder if it has something to do with the computer shuffling the cards perfectly .
 
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assume_R

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Goma said:
but even when the TC goes up by +3 you still loose because the dealer gets it always BJ or 2 face. I wonder if it has something to do with the computer shuffling the cards perfectly .
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Well, firstly if the dealer gets a blackjack as often as you do, you're at an advantage :)

And if there's any sort of gaming commission or regulatory board for this casino you are referring to, it would be highly illegal and thus highly non-profitable to shuffle non-randomly.
 
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Sucker

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I have noticed an increase in the way they sweat the money. Even some of the larger clubs on the strip are starting to scrutinize anyone who's winning.
 
aslan

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davidpom said:
Theoretically our comps will improve, as they try to get more customers through the doors.

More disturbing is Harrahs continued takeover of the strip... they'll soon have almost all of one side the way they are going. And these guys were the first to introduce 6-to-5 payout blackjack.... so expect worse games from these guys over time.

Personally, I think Las Vegas will gradually go towards even better odds for the player as competition really does go dog-eat-dog and only the tough or big survive. But if it doesn't - play online or go to other areas like Macau!

Good luck to us all!
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I wouldn't exactly call it a take over of the strip. MGM Resorts has The Mirage, Bellagio, City Center, MGM Grand, Mandalay Bay, Luxor, Excalibur, New York New York, and Circus Circus, plus there are other large independents, Wynn, Encore, Venetian, Palazzo, Planet Hollywood, Tropicana, and Treasure Island.
 
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davidpom said:
But if it doesn't play online - see ************.com for a number of reputable casinos, or go to other areas like Macau!
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DP this is entirely inappropriate on every level. I'm sure there are very clear rules about spam on the forum and posting a bunch of vaguely relevent space filler just to justify posting further spam for your affiliate site really isn't cool. Personally i have a have an issue with you even including a link to such a garbage site in your sig - but i'll ignore that just now and simply state that i feel the mods should be deleting any referrence you make to your 'blog'.

RJT.
 
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sevencard2003

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Seaclusion said:
I too hope it means more competition, but I am not sure the games will get better.

Here in NM the casinos have been gradually upping the freeplay, matchplay, and hotseat type drawings. They are really giving it out for new players card sign-ups. Last week I went to a casino I had never been to an recieved $140in freeplay for signing up.

Unfortunately the games have not gotten any better. All the single deck games are 6:5 when you can find them and all but one casino are H17.
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where in NM do u go to get the free $140 for signing up?
 
kewljason

kewljason

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creeping panther said:
What they will do is make the games worse and pray for more suckers.

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Both Vegas and AC have been doing this for several years now and it hasn't worked. Each year revenues drop even further. You would think at some point someone would wake up and try a different approach.
 
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shadroch

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Planet Hollywood is now a Harrahs property. It will be included in the Total rewards program in March.Harrahs now owns everything on the west Side from Harrahs to PH. This includes- Harrahs, Imperial Palace, O'Sheas, Flamingo, Bills, Bally's, Paris and now Planet Hollywood. In addition, it owns several hundred acres just behind the stripbetween LVB and Koval.
 
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aslan

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shadroch said:
Planet Hollywood is now a Harrahs property. It will be included in the Total rewards program in March.Harrahs now owns everything on the west Side from Harrahs to PH. This includes- Harrahs, Imperial Palace, O'Sheas, Flamingo, Bills, Bally's, Paris and now Planet Hollywood. In addition, it owns several hundred acres just behind the stripbetween LVB and Koval.
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My point was they are no where's near a monopoly (even on one side of the street). Further south you have Tropicana, MGM Grand, Mandalay Bay, and further north you have Venetian, Palazzo and Wynn, larger properties compared to Imperial Palace, O'Sheas and Bills, although Tropicana may be an exception. I wish them all the luck in the world. I am staying at the RIO tomorrow, another great Harrah's property. I just don't see Harrah's as dominating the strip, although they do dominate that particular segment as you point out (if you don't walk across the street to Bellagio, City Center {largest and newest grouping on the strip}, the Mirage, and New York New York).
 
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PS--Planet Hollywood just sent me their notice that they have just joined the Harrah's family of casino resorts. That's good, because I think their management left something to be desired after they changed from being the Aladdin. On the other hand, they sometimes had winnable blackjack games, which will probably go bye bye under Harrah's.
 
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kewljason

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aslan said:
PS--Planet Hollywood just sent me their notice that they have just joined the Harrah's family of casino resorts. That's good, because I think their management left something to be desired after they changed from being the Aladdin. On the other hand, they sometimes had winnable blackjack games, which will probably go bye bye under Harrah's.
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Yes they did have very playable games and yes they have already gone bye bye. :( On a positive note, Rio seems poised to escape the clutches of the empire, as a deal is suppossed to be very close. (We have heard this several times in the past couple years right) No guarantee that games would be any better with a new owner, but they can't get much worse. :eek: I always like the Rio and would welcome it back from the "darkside". :)
 
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shadroch

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The Rio needs an enema, in the worst way. I've given up on the place, except for an occasional buffet. I can't believe it has fallen so low. Management can't even change a burned out bulb in the marquee or paint the exterior of the lobby.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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shadroch said:
The Rio needs an enema, in the worst way. I've given up on the place, except for an occasional buffet. I can't believe it has fallen so low. Management can't even change a burned out bulb in the marquee or paint the exterior of the lobby.
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Give me playable Blackjack and I could care less about the paint or marquee. ;)
 
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