When does hi-lo perform better then any other count?

[WRBJ]

I love the hi-lo. I have memorized the illustrious 18 and fab 4, and the count is so easy that i can do it in my sleep. I know that the count does not work on a 2 deck very well, but on a 6 deck it works great, correct?

They have a new 6 deck at my casino.

The rules are:

5$-200$ limit

S17, DAS, DOA, Split aces once and once card each. And, one of the dealers i am friends with said that he is being trained to go to 80% pen.

If you jump in the middle of a shoe, you can not bet more then 5$.

The game is just in the flyer as of the moment. They have not implemented it yet, but they plan to this weekend. I am stoked, finally a game without too bad of rules and excellent penetration.

So, is Hi-Lo optimal for this game?

If so, then what else would help me to make the game even better? Such as, shuffle tracking, key cards, etc?

My dealer friend also said that there is no chance for a holecard oportunity, since the plastic shoe is used and the dealer just slides the card out and puts it under the up card. Oh well

So, is Hi-Lo finally ok to use?

If not, then when is the hi-lo optimal??

 

[somtum]

I love the hi-lo. I have memorized the illustrious 18 and fab 4, and the count is so easy that i can do it in my sleep. I know that the count does not work on a 2 deck very well, but on a 6 deck it works great, correct?

They have a new 6 deck at my casino.

The rules are:

5$-200$ limit

S17, DAS, DOA, Split aces once and once card each. And, one of the dealers i am friends with said that he is being trained to go to 80% pen.

If you jump in the middle of a shoe, you can not bet more then 5$.

The game is just in the flyer as of the moment. They have not implemented it yet, but they plan to this weekend. I am stoked, finally a game without too bad of rules and excellent penetration.

So, is Hi-Lo optimal for this game?

If so, then what else would help me to make the game even better? Such as, shuffle tracking, key cards, etc?

My dealer friend also said that there is no chance for a holecard oportunity, since the plastic shoe is used and the dealer just slides the card out and puts it under the up card. Oh well

So, is Hi-Lo finally ok to use?

If not, then when is the hi-lo optimal??

Good rules and pen for a 6D shoe. Hi-lo would work fine for this game.

 

[WRBJ]

Ok. Does anyone know my ROR and what i should be betting per the count? Just basic, TC-1 = unit?

so, TC = 6 so bet 5 units? Or is this totally wrong?

 

[UK-21]

With a 1-5 spread you will be playing a marginally breakeven game (assuming you don't make any errors).

Pick up a copy of Mr Snyder's Blackbelt in Blackjack and read up on bet spreading. It'd be easy for someone to respond with a casual "totally wrong, you need to spread at least 1-8 to make it worthwhile" type comment, but you need to understand why this is.

It's easy to give a man a fish . . . .

Good luck when you hit the game.

 

[tripsix]

Here's an anchovie.

I agree with not so newb99. It is good to learn about spreading, why and how. Check out the Blackbelt in Blackjack, I thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a lot.
A very respected person I don't know suggested a 1-10 spread might beat these rules. I personally would use a 1-12 spread (1 at 1 or less, 2 at 2, 4 at 3, 8 at 4, 10 at 5, 12 at 6). Depends if it would be acceptable at your location. Since you have an "in," I'd check with him OR observe the action and attention that size bet recieves while playing 1-10 spread.
The ROR for a 3K bankroll would be about 11% for the 1-12 spread.

 

[FLASH1296]

The game that you describe is O.K. presuming that they are dealing > 75% of the cards.

The key to understanding the game is found in the table limits.

You said that the casino has set the following limits: $5-$200

That small a table maximum is PROOF that the casino is terrified of losing ANY money.

Your rule of thumb should be to never exceed 1/4 of a table maximum bet.

If you were in a casino with $1,000 limits, then I would suggest a spread of 16 to 1,

presuming, of course, that you had an adequate bankroll.

In this case $5 to $50 will give you an advantage using Hi-Lo,

but your projected earnings will be little more than minimum wage.

 

[WRBJ]

Ill get the book.

Just found out this morning after reading your post flash that they are planning on having another table for 10$-300$. Still not very good, i know.

But the table with the highest amount right now is a 2 deck...

25-500$, 2D, NDAS, Double 10 + 11 only, 80% - 85% Pen, Aces one card, and 3:2. Also, hole-carding is possible with almost 3/4 of the dealers in the pitch games, and you can fully see the card every 1 out of 3 or so hands.

But the game sucks, to be honest. I was happy to know the 6 deck was going to be good, but now i have found that it sucks too lol

 

[Grisly Dreams]

I doubt there's a game for which the Hi-Lo is the optimal counting system -- it will get crushed in shoe games by RPC or Halves, and in pitch games by Hi-Opt II or AOII.

But considering the combination of power and ease of use, the Hi-Lo is a good all-round compromise.

 

[WRBJ]

Well it definately makes sense seeing as the other counts are such more high leveled. I guess i was just more curious of what the best scenario to use hi lo would be. Since it is the easiest.

But rather, i will start to learn RPC anyway. I already had started some time ago, i should pick it up again.

 

[FLASH1296]

WRBJ,

To expand a bit on what I said about the table maximum; you need to note that there is a better gauge of just how paranoid the house is.

Look at the permissible Minimum and Maximum.
If it is a 20-1 spread, (e.g. $5-$100) the joint is paranoid.
50-1 is very commonplace.
100-1 is seen frequently at properties that are not afraid to
handle big action and are looking to court high stakes players.

 

[FLASH1296]

Rather than Hi-Lo or R.P.C. I strongly suggest the ZEN Count.

 

[WRBJ]

WRBJ,

To expand a bit on what I said about the table maximum; you need to note that there is a better gauge of just how paranoid the house is.

Look at the permissible Minimum and Maximum.
If it is a 20-1 spread, (e.g. $5-$100) the joint is paranoid.
50-1 is very commonplace.
100-1 is seen frequently at properties that are not afraid to
handle big action and are looking to court high stakes players.

I see how the table max works with this. The lower the max on the table the more the casino is scared to lose. And with the awful rules of the 2 deck i can see this.

You said i could only make a little over minimum wage though. Lets say i dont care about the heat of the casino and any bet spread that fits into the table max would be alright. (of course there is heat, but im just speaking like this because i dont care if i get kicked out or not).

So what is the optimum bet spread not depending on the tables maximum limit? Im sure it isnt over 300, am i correct?



EDIT: And Zen count? Alright, i would be happy to learn it. It is just a level 2 correct? Im not doubting you at all, but why would you say the zen count is so much more accurate in this shoe game?