Which count ??

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Boatman117

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I want to thank everyone for all the good information I have been getting here ....
I am getting my basic strategy down cold with lots and lots of practice ...

Ready to incorporate a count system into my drills ... but which one ??

To start with I mean. I realize that I will tend to move up to more evolved systems as I learn and progress.

I am thinking hi-lo, KO, or KISS III ...

any thoughts and/or advice is very appreciated !!

Thanks ...:)
 
Boatman117 said:
I want to thank everyone for all the good information I have been getting here ....
I am getting my basic strategy down cold with lots and lots of practice ...

Ready to incorporate a count system into my drills ... but which one ??

To start with I mean. I realize that I will tend to move up to more evolved systems as I learn and progress.

I am thinking hi-lo, KO, or KISS III ...

any thoughts and/or advice is very appreciated !!

Thanks ...:)
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If you are mainly playing shoes and want a Level 1 system I'd go with KO. If you are playing both shoe and pitch games I'd use Hi-Lo.
 
Use KO, unless you aren't afraid to spread big in the shoe game, then use HiLo. Or expand your KO by adding more indexes and converting to TKO -- true counted KO.
 
Boatman117 said:
...Ready to incorporate a count system into my drills ... but which one ??

To start with I mean. I realize that I will tend to move up to more evolved systems as I learn and progress...

Thanks ...:)
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If you want an easy count for 6d, I'd recommend Hi-Lo. You seem to be well-read enough to know this. However, counters DO NOT tend to move up to more evolved systems as they learn and progress. They usually stick with something simple that works or move down to something more simple that works.

I used Hi-Lo for my first weekend but have used Halves ever since. That was years ago. I like it because it's comforting to know that it's 10% better than Hi-Lo which allows me to tip up to 10% of my hourly EV or for whatever low cost cover I want to use. It comes as easy as pie for me because I've used it for years. Another appealing aspect is that strategy point deviations (from BS) are regularly available to me. (Originally obtained from Professional Blackjack by Stanford Wong which is an awesome read for the Hi-Lo player as well.)

What I'm trying to suggest to you amidst all this babble is that you try a "hard system" as opposed to a simple one. This is for several reasons: (1) You may be smart enough to handle it after a while. (2) Acedemically challenging. (3) Mo' money. (4) Confidence. (5) And finally, as opposed to what you summized, it's always possible to step down towards an easier system but stepping up to a financially superior system becomes more difficult as time goes on.

People will often site a "negative" of the upper level systems as conflicting with team-play. However, this is only true for purposes of BP style which is not a viable strategy in modern day blackjack. Most viable modern teams use advanced techniques which can be helped by any knowledgable counter, no matter what system he's accustomed to.

If you want to give it a shot (Try one or both of these for a few hours at home.), Halves is as follows: A= -1; 2= +1/2; 3= +1; 4= +1; 5= +3/2; 6= +1; 7= +1/2; 8= 0; 9= -1/2; T= -1. This is a "balanced, single parameter Level 3 system".

Here's another count which I intend to try for betting purposes only but probably will never be able to pull it off. It's called Thorpe Ultimate Count or TUC: A= -9; 2= +5; 3= +6; 4= +8; 5= +11; 6= +6; 7= +4; 8= 0; 9= -3; T= -7. I'm calling it a "balanced, single parameter Level 8 system". Now, obviously, this is insane but think about it--could a smart child learn this count with enough practice? Can I, as an adult, learn this count? I doubt it but a card counter can dream, can't he?
 
Learn a simple count. KO, Hi-Lo, Red 7, whatever. Just get it down, and when you want to add to your advantage learn more index plays. Hi-Lo with full indeces beats the hell out of any system with only 18.
 
Thanks a lot for all the replies !!

Does the CVBJ software work well with these systems ??

For practice and drills I mean ??
 
Yep, CVBJ has the tables

for a lot of different counts.
I'm learning Mentor (which is also in Renzey's BlueBookII(KISS))
and I was able to download the tables for Mentor from the
CV website.

If I can't get the Mentor tables at other websites, I use the Zen98
since the PE,BE are very close to Mentor.

BJinNJ :cool:
 
BJinNJ said:
for a lot of different counts.
I'm learning Mentor (which is also in Renzey's BlueBookII(KISS))
and I was able to download the tables for Mentor from the
CV website.

If I can't get the Mentor tables at other websites, I use the Zen98
since the PE,BE are very close to Mentor.
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Not ideal at all. Use ZEN'83 x2. zg
 
zengrifter said:
Not ideal at all. Use ZEN'83 x2. zg
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Do you use Zen to a 2deck Tconversion or 1deck?

Which side count do you use in you Zen count, Sides of 7??
if yes What advantage does that has and where can i find a index conversion for that?

thank you Zengrifter.:)


"I have only one eye, -i have a right to be blind sometimes.... I really do not see the signal!:eyepatch:
at the battle of copenhagen, 1801
HORATIO, LORD NELSON
 
My responses -
LordDante said:
Do you use Zen to a 2deck Tconversion or 1deck?
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I use 1DTC, but if I was just starting, knowing what I know, I would use 2D CALIBRATED TC (See BJ Bluebook Mentor Count)

Which side count do you use in you Zen count, Sides of 7??
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No. Not recommended - 7s require a complex MULTI-PARAMETER adjustment. No side counts now. zg
 
Thanks zg.

Some websites don't offer Mentor, so to approximate
I use the Zen. There seem to be alot of different Zen
variants. Will try to use the Zen83 instead, if offered.

Thanks again.

BJinNJ :cool:
 
Sir, You Have Made This Personal

moo321 said:
Learn a simple count. KO, Hi-Lo, Red 7, whatever. Just get it down, and when you want to add to your advantage learn more index plays. Hi-Lo with full indeces beats the hell out of any system with only 18.
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Not Halves
Sorry, you hit a soft spot for me:joker::whip:
 
zengrifter said:
I was for RPC, I think. zg
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Is this what you were refering to? This was 2dtc zen converted to 1/2dtc for RPC.

BJC

Just correct 7,7v9 to 4 in the surrender table
0.5zen%20unrounded.bmp
 
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