Which Counting System Should i Use?

pig098

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i know that counting systems have different advantages for different games.
but i am not even sure what games i should play

i only have about 1k BR. and also a beginner. but i have enough time to practice so diffculty of the counting system is not an issue

so i like to reduce my RoR as much as possible...I am guessing i need higher PE counting system.

i want a good balance between RoR (like 10% max) and payout.



PS. i know that i wont make much with 1000k. i just want to try this out. and i am willing to take small RoR for bigger payout.

thank you
 
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FLASH1296

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Your Risk of Ruin has little to do with the count you employ.

You mention a 10% Risk level.
If you were what we call a "Full Kelly" bettor, you would [try to] bet in accordance with your advantage.
With a $1,000 bankroll you would be playing with a Maximum bet set at +5 Hi-Lo True Count - where you will have nearly a 2% advantage.
Many days you will not reach such an elevated advantage, but when you do you'd be wagering your MAX bet, which would equate to 2% of your bankroll.
[That would be $20, presuming that you still had $1,000]

With $1,000, presuming that you could find a $5 game with its attendant poor rules,
you would be facing a disadvantage of approx .7% in most cases.
This would almost always be a 6 or 8 deck shoe game.

To beat that game you would need to spread perhaps 12-1 or more. Optimal would be a MUCH more aggressive bet spread.

So ... your Maximum bet would be (at least) $60

Of course, with splits and double downs you would (sometimes) be betting 2 or 3 or 4 (or more) times that much on a single hand.

Ordinarily I recommend having a bankroll between 800 units for a good Two Deck Game up to 1,400 units for a 6 or 8 deck shoe game where the dealer hits soft 17. Another popular way to look at Bankroll requirements is to look at your Maximum Bets. I usually suggest from 80 to 150 Max Bets.

So if you played a $5 game with a $1,000 bankroll, spreading to $60 you would have 200 units [and 17 Max bets] may earn about $10 - $15 per hour but your Risk of Ruin would be perhaps > 40% That means that you are almost as likely to go broke as you are to double your modest bankroll.

That many units could very easily be lost in the course of a single session.

In most venues the minimum game that can be had is $5 but in many places it is 2 or 3 times that.

You have to determine what games are (geographically) available to you. The stakes and the rules. The number of decks and the (apparent) penetration.

You are correct that a strong count will help you but it is actually a secondary consideration.

The simple "Level One" counts that are popular, e.g. Hi-Lo, K.O., etc are good enough for a shoe game BUT are NOT good enough for as "pitch" (hand-held) game.

More on that after you follow up your initial post.
 
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pig098

Member
to flash,
thank you for your answer

so it seems like $1000 is not enough for shoe games. i am guessing i need like 4000 bucks which is 800 units

then what about pitch games?

i can go to Atlantic city, so i probably can find any pitch games. but i have no idea how much minimum bet is going to be. it doesnt say online.

by any chance do you know what is the lowest minimum bet is going to be for pitch games in Atlantic city?

and if you do, which games should i play

again thank you very much
 

FLASH1296

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Atlantic City offers only 8 deck games at lower limits (beneath $25 minimums)

The shoe games in A.C. are mostly $15 minimums,
but diligent searching will easily find $10 (mostly H17) (yuck)

The (very few) single deck games in A.C. offer the larcenous 6/5 payoff on blackjacks. Unplayable.

Your best bet is the Borgata. Others: Resorts, Tropicana and Hilton.

The nearest Two Deck games are (actually) in Mississippi.

As these A.C. games are poor - <understatement>
you should play off of a bank of at least 1,000 units.
That is $15,000 -- as you may or may not find a $10 table,
especially between Fri afternoon and Monday morning !
 

KOLAN

Well-Known Member
pig098 said:
i know that counting systems have different advantages for different games.
but i am not even sure what games i should play

i only have about 1k BR. and also a beginner. but i have enough time to practice so diffculty of the counting system is not an issue

so i like to reduce my RoR as much as possible...I am guessing i need higher PE counting system.

i want a good balance between RoR (like 10% max) and payout.



PS. i know that i wont make much with 1000k. i just want to try this out. and i am willing to take small RoR for bigger payout.

thank you
if yours bankroolis small . tray to faind beting strategy or make yours beting strategy
 
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