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White Guy

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I have done a lot of research and I finally got a betting schedule figured out for wonging off of a 20k B roll.
Wong in @ +3 Bet of $100
If count goes 5+ Bet of $200
If count drops less than +1 wong out.

I never found the download of the free sim but I did find some calculations to do manually I hope they are right. If they are correct I am playing with an ROR of less than 2% this way?? At 10k roll around 15%? If I can play at least 10 hands per hour (taking into account the fact that I am overbetting at counts of 1 and 2) my avg hourly would be around $25 hr?? I think I will make my first attempt in a couple weeks.
Thanks Again.
 
PrinceDragon

PrinceDragon

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White Guy said:
I have done a lot of research and I finally got a betting schedule figured out for wonging off of a 20k B roll.
Wong in @ +3 Bet of $100
If count goes 5+ Bet of $200
If count drops less than +1 wong out.

I never found the download of the free sim but I did find some calculations to do manually I hope they are right. If they are correct I am playing with an ROR of less than 2% this way?? At 10k roll around 15%? If I can play at least 10 hands per hour (taking into account the fact that I am overbetting at counts of 1 and 2) my avg hourly would be around $25 hr?? I think I will make my first attempt in a couple weeks.
Thanks Again.
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Which count do you use?

P.D.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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White Guy said:
I have done a lot of research and I finally got a betting schedule figured out for wonging off of a 20k B roll.
Wong in @ +3 Bet of $100
If count goes 5+ Bet of $200
If count drops less than +1 wong out.

I never found the download of the free sim but I did find some calculations to do manually I hope they are right. If they are correct I am playing with an ROR of less than 2% this way?? At 10k roll around 15%? If I can play at least 10 hands per hour (taking into account the fact that I am overbetting at counts of 1 and 2) my avg hourly would be around $25 hr?? I think I will make my first attempt in a couple weeks.
Thanks Again.
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wtf? you got a 20K bankroll, and no sim software? :eek:
maybe gonna be betting $100, $200 a wack...
and your asking questions?
and your gonna start in a couple of weeks maybe?
and you hope your calculations are right?
man, if i had your money, the things i could do.:rolleyes:
i sure hope i'm missing something.
 

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White Guy

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Haha that's right... I have been counting for about 5 years but never seriously.. Always just took a good trip roll and never really had a worry if I lost it. I make good $$ at my day job. For the past year I have been wanting to put in more time and lately wanted to start taking trips to Vegas twice a month to supplement my income from work slowing down and lower projections this year vs years past. I have been unsuccessfully trying to form a team even in which I would be willing to invest more $$ but no one I already know is interested.
I know the calculations to figure things based on normal situations but figuring the wonging into it is over my head. I know I have easily made over 20k from counting just for fun and if I were trying to give it a serious go for even a time period of a year and I still didn't have 20k to my name I would be very dissappointed and probably find a new hobby/job.
Thanks For the Help
 
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sagefr0g

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White Guy said:
Haha that's right... I have been counting for about 5 years but never seriously.. Always just took a good trip roll and never really had a worry if I lost it. I make good $$ at my day job. For the past year I have been wanting to put in more time and lately wanted to start taking trips to Vegas twice a month to supplement my income from work slowing down and lower projections this year vs years past. I have been unsuccessfully trying to form a team even in which I would be willing to invest more $$ but no one I already know is interested.
I know the calculations to figure things based on normal situations but figuring the wonging into it is over my head. I know I have easily made over 20k from counting just for fun and if I were trying to give it a serious go for even a time period of a year and I still didn't have 20k to my name I would be very dissappointed and probably find a new hobby/job.
Thanks For the Help
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ok, sorry, just you got 20k bankroll and no sim software and your gonna be making some pretty hefty bets, a lot of trips. still, just a suggestion, sim software.
i hope your business picks up, crappin lousey economy is messing everything up. may the advantage be with you in a couple of weeks or so.
 
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sagefr0g

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PrinceDragon said:
With this bet schedule,you only get to play about 8 hands/hour,
ROR is quiet low with 20K
ROR is 5.5% with 10K BR

P.D.
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PD what does that mean 100 hands per hour in your sim?
does that mean 100 hands seen in an hour but he actually plays 8 hands?:confused:
 
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PrinceDragon

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sagefr0g said:
PD what does that mean 100 hands per hour in your sim?
does that mean 100 hands seen in an hour but he actually plays 8 hands?:confused:
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Yes and yes
But that was a 8D game
For a 6 decker,he actually get to play 10.2% of 100 observed.which is exactly what he wanted.

P.D.
 
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White Guy

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Thanks for all the input. You are right I should probably buy a sim my cheapassness is all that has kept me from it really. PD which one is it that you used to figure that??
Thanks
 
PrinceDragon

PrinceDragon

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White Guy said:
Thanks for all the input. You are right I should probably buy a sim my cheapassness is all that has kept me from it really. PD which one is it that you used to figure that??
Thanks
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CVCX from Qfit
But i personally like CVDATA better,it's more complex,but it give you lots more options and details:cool:

P.D.
 
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callipygian

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I don't want to be a killjoy, but I think Wonging in at HiLo +3 is pretty unrealistic. Waiting around for that high of a count is going to attract more heat than playing, because you're loitering around the $100 tables and casino employees don't know whether you're bored, backcounting, or looking to grab some chips and run for the door.

Maybe you have a great way to Wong in at +3 and not get caught - if you do, GREAT - but having done it before, I can say it's pretty mind-numbing, even when backcounting two tables.

If you're intent on doing this, you should acquire (derive / ask for / buy) statistics on when to quit counting a shoe, even very early on. Once the true count dips below -2, for instance, the probability of EVER making +3 drops significantly. You can raise your hands/hr played if you're ruthless about switching backcounting and have a lot of tables to hit.

The ideal place for Wonging is where there are a crapload of tables with uniform rules and penetration (uniformity is key, because it means you don't favor any one table over another), such as the Las Vegas Strip. As soon as one table hits a certain "stopcount" point, move to another table.

I generally Wong in at +1 (lower limit tables where I can drop my bet if the count drops) or +2 (higher limit tables) now, because +3 just takes way too much time. That being said, I count mostly for mathematical entertainment, not to make money, so take all my advice with a grain of salt.

Just don't get caught backcounting and ruin it for the rest of us. :)
 
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White Guy

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All great advice. Thanks. I know exactly what you mean about a stop point. I have been contemplating that for a while. I usually do stop once it dips but I don't have an actual number in mind. I will look into that. I am planning on only using these tactics at busy places on busy days. Fri Sat Sun. I am pretty sure every casino even in their low limits will allow for $200 bets so I am not planning on setting foot in a high limit area. Thanks again everyone and Thanks Stewie for the sim link I will check that out.
 
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gibsonlp33stl

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I'm debating doing the same sort of thing but slightly lower limits...$25-$100 bets and wonging in at +1 or +2. Does anyone else have suggests on what a good "stop count" point would be. -2 or -3 TC? -14 RC?
 
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White Guy

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Now that I have researched even more I think I will play lower limit tables wonging in at +2 or higher and out at +1 or lower placing bets from $50 @ 1 $100 @ +3 and $200 @ +5..
This way I will only buy in for $50 when I enter if I lose and the count dumps I can act disgruntled and wait a couple hands for it to go back up buy back in again and start over... If I win and it stays even I can play the $50 as long as it is over +1.. If I win and it goes up I can appear to "parlay" as I double my bets to $200??? What do you think??
 
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sagefr0g

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gibsonlp33stl said:
I'm debating doing the same sort of thing but slightly lower limits...$25-$100 bets and wonging in at +1 or +2. Does anyone else have suggests on what a good "stop count" point would be. -2 or -3 TC? -14 RC?
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Blackjack Attack by Schlesinger chapter 13, over half that chapter is about that very subject. it's more complicated than one might suspect. believe it or not there might be times you would wanna walk away at tc=1.
if you don't have the book, well that's your loss.
maybe the library, or Barnes & Nobles or some book store where they let you sit and read.
 
moo321

moo321

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With a 20k bankroll you should be jumping in at just above +1 if you're playing $10 min tables.

This might be more optimal:

+1.2-2 $25
+2-3 $50
+3-4 $100
+4-5 $150
+5 and up $200

You are missing out on some expected value by not playing +2 counts for sure.
 
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