Wonging out and got cussed out.

Hey guys new to the forum and slightly new to blackjack AP. They say the best way to learn is through immersion and socially. So I'm here to ask you guys to shoot me some cool casino stories along with a couple questions. Casino's have never been a place I spend much time really. So lets hear those stories!! Wins, losses, back offs ect...

#1 Ran into some trouble wonging out at a table. I was about half way through a 6d and the count dropped severely negative over two hands. The other two people at the table won the last two hands and placed large bets. "Oooh we're winning raise the bets!!!" I wonged out and they both lost. They looked at me realized I didn't play and got pissed, and proceeded to blame me and cuss me out. The dealer said nothing and they two Ladies go. "See even he agrees." They didn't tip and left. I lost some bets after that, maybe from having flustered mistakes maybe just from neg variance.
Any advice for this type of situation?

#2 The trainer I've been learning from suggest backcounting and playing multiple hands at high counts. Do you guys have experience with this?


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Hi Jay,
Wonging can be a great technique to use by avoiding playing through negative counts, although it can upset a few ploppies from time to time by ruining the "magical flow" of the cards.

If you're playing at a table and the count has become too negative, i would quietly leave and start looking for a shoe which is about to start rather than staying at the table and sitting out those negative hands, waiting for the next shoe.

If you wong into a game with a plus count, that can occasionally upset some players, but the thing is that people come and go all the time.
If someone is making a fuss about you entering you could politely say that you only have time for a few hands before leaving the casino and then just play out the remainder of that high count shoe.

There is one place where i play where i purely back count and only play positive counts.
A couple of times it has worked out nicely, because once i have entered the other player/s have left because they think that i have ruined the remainder of the shoe by messing up the "Flow" I have then played the remainder of the shoe heads up during a high count.
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Jay217 said:
Any advice for this type of situation?
There are other players at the table?

Ignore them or tell them to play 2 hands to "maintian the flow of the cards." You can never win an argument with a ploppy. Don't even try.


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Managing civilians is part of the game. Leave to check your phone (drat, it's my wife!) briefly, or use the bathroom or something and wait for a new shoe. Or piss them off and get them to leave intentionally.


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A great line recently from another BJ site: "there are other players at the table"? Screw them.

Wonging out should be natural. The bathroom and the phone call are obvious and tried and true. But play up the sporting event on TV...."I've got to see what happens next! If you've just lost two hands, be disgusted. Shake your head and just say I'm outta here in disgust. You shouldn't be happy following a couple losses. You are never obligated to stay at a table.


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JJP said:
A great line recently from another BJ site: "there are other players at the table"? Screw them.
Look 3 posts up and you'll see it here, too. I take credit for originating that line on the forums :)
johndoe said:
Or piss them off and get them to leave intentionally.
Speaking of this, recently I sat down at a new shoe to hear two players finishing up a conversation about a certain BS play and how they couldn`t stand it when people made the wrong play. I said nothing while I was thinking about how frequently the BS deviation occurred. I couldn`t care less about what they think, but kind of laughed in my mind about what they were going to say. Sure enough, the count called for the deviation when I got the hand later in the shoe so of course I made the right play. I can`t remember if everyone at the table lost that hand or just they did, but they immediately got up and left in a huff. With some people you don`t even have to try to make them leave; it`s a snap just doing what you gotta do.


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I surrendered a hard 17 against an ace and the guy standing behind me, not even playing, went into rant mode about how I messed up the shoe. He was going to sit down until he saw that. The other guy at the table defended me. He said that even though it was a stupid move it didn't affect the table. Thanks other guy! Two hands later they both ganged up on me for not playing Match The Dealer when a match came up. By then I'm thinking please dealer just give me a pair of tens to split. The guy was betting serious black and had jumped into my last shoe with only a couple of hands left.

Ever ask the other players for help? On a very close 12 vs 2 or 3, for example, I'll ask them what to do. If it doesn't work they get blamed. Most of the time I keep quiet but every now and then it's fun to break the monotony.


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I love asking the other players (and dealer, sometimes floor) for help. They all get to argue about it and I get to look like a naive player.

LC Larry

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I've seen it go both ways. There have also been plenty of times I've come back from that "bathroom break" only to have the civilians thank me for leaving that negative count.