zengrifter/experts, I need the answers from you!!

[ssho88]

Hi, zengrifter/Experts,

I know that all successful professional gamblers use advanced techniques that provide a far greater advantage than any card counter can ever get.

1) Does this mean that all the professional gamblers now are only using advanced techniques which unknown to the casino? Are they using shuffle tracking, holecard play,cut card play,or others techniques? Are they still using card counting? Could you please give your comments?

2)Just curious do you have any new ideas/underground info to beat the CSM(shuffle master king & One2six)?


cheers

ssho88

 

[KenSmith]

I'm no help on the CSMs. The last models I've seen look pretty solidly protected.

On the subject of pro methods, you're correct in thinking that most have added other techniques on top of card counting. However, I do know some who have stuck with what they do best, and still use regular card counting as their sole attack. They are still being successful at making a living.

The benefit of card counting is that there are many, many games out there, so you don't have to worry about game availability like in holecarding and sometimes shuffle tracking.

 

[anglinw]

I'm no expert but I have won more than I have lost at Blackjack, strickly card counting. Sounds ancient, but all I have ever used is the basic Hi/Low count, with counting Aces on the side. I play mostly 2 or six deck games. I start the count at zero if doubling splits is allowed and the dealer stands on soft 17. I start at minus one if I can't double splits or dealer hits soft 17. I start at minus two if I can't double splits and the dealer hits soft 17. If possible, I don't play with these rules.

If the adjusted count gets up to plus eight or higher I don't hesistate to spread my bets up to 15 or 20 times my original betting unit. When playing at a crowded casino, at a higher limit table, WHERE I AM NOT THE HIGHEST AVERAGE BETTER at the table, my occational wide betting spread is seldom noticed, and I have never been challenged, backed off, or put out, under these conditions (i.e. major casino, crowded floor, lower better at the table.)

The swings have gotten nasty on the down side a few times, but eventually, that magic table has always pulled me back to the plus side.

The only successfull shuffle tracking or left field hole carding I ever realized was going on with other players involved collusion with the dealer. That's a bit too sketchy for me. Counting cards is slow and methodical, sometimes volatile, and occationally even boring - - and it works.