Side Counts

  • ringlejames

    Side Counts

    [This has been moved from another thread. – SONNY]

    Quote: aslan said:

    I don’t understand the buy-in for cash either; they always check how much I am bringing to the table when I begin.

    AHHHHH

    Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) “How much did you buy in for”
    Me:$50 bucks
    Pit boss: There seems to be a mix up it seems my employees think you have been here for 4 hours.
    Me: Yeah I have
    Pit boss: But you said you started with 1 $50 buy in and have not bought in for more.
    Me: No.

    Pit Boss: Ends he conversation by walking off and getting on the phone.

    Me: Can someone get me wheel chair. I was hurt at that time.

    I also believe the president of the casino was at the door to see me out.

    I rotfl’d

  • 21gunsalute

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    AHHHHH

    Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) “How much did you buy in for”
    Me:$50 bucks
    Pit boss: There seems to be a mix up it seems my employees think you have been here for 4 hours.
    Me: Yeah I have
    Pit boss: But you said you started with 1 $50 buy in and have not bought in for more.
    Me: No.

    Pit Boss: Ends he conversation by walking off and getting on the phone.

    Me: Can someone get me wheel chair. I was hurt at that time.

    I also believe the president of the casino was at the door to see me out.

    I rotfl’d

    Please revisit rule #5 from post #11.

  • Solo player

    ringlejames

    Hey ringle,

    Do you post on another message board under the handle of Wham?

  • Sonny

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Pit Boss: (after seeing me double 2 siff hands from split tens and make 21 on both) “How much did you buy in for”

    Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

    -Sonny-

  • aslan

     

    Quote: Sonny said:
    Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

    -Sonny-

    Treating this as a serious inquiry, the obvious answer is: when somehow you know what is probably coming in the next two hits. I rule out precognition (voodoo). I rule out a flash in a shoe dealt game. In a plus count such as this, it is more likely that a ten or ace will drop rather than the desired card to transform a stiff into a twenty-one. One thing I cannot rule out is marked cards, if the cards protrude enough from the shoe to discern the markings. Another possibility might be tracking a slug of cards heavy in 8s and 9s. Any other ideas?

  • Coyote

     

    Quote: Sonny said:
    Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

    -Sonny-

    I don’t get either? What the heck? Double a natural maybe…? That would be the only thing I can think of……

  • NAP

     

    Quote: Coyote said:
    I don’t get either? What the heck? Double a natural? That would be the only thing I can think of……

    But a natural is not a stiff…

  • Coyote

     

    Quote: NAP said:
    But a natural is not a stiff…

    That is true NAP. I do understand. That was the only thing I could think of that would seem remotely logical to double on.

  • NAP

     

    Quote: Coyote said:
    That is true NAP. I do understand. That was the only thing I could think of that would seem remotely logical to double on.

    I think you made a false assumption about his play!

  • Gamblor

     

    Quote: NAP said:
    I think you made a false assumption about his play!

    I think it could be false to assume ringlejames actually does play.

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: Solo player said:
    Hey ringle,

    Do you post on another message board under the handle of Wham?

    No I did not. why?

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: Sonny said:
    Under what conditions do you split tens and then double down on the resulting stiffs?

    -Sonny-

    I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9’s. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

    Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

    Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6’s got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

    If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

    If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

    I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don’t need to work often and I love to learn.

    The math is there I just dont know it.

  • jaygruden

     

    1. Why would you split tens in a “negative count”?
    2. Why would you then double a stiff vs dealer 3 up card? Even if you know the deck is “rich in neutral cards” this doesn’t make sense to me. If that’s the case then the dealer is not likely to bust with a 3 up…..she is likely to hit a pat hand if there are a abundance of 8/7.

  • tthree

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9’s. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

    Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

    Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6’s got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

    If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

    If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

    I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don’t need to work often and I love to learn.

    The math is there I just dont know it.

    If the dealer has a 3 up and flips a 7 and draws a 7 he has 17 if he turns a 9 and flips a 9 he has 21. Splitting tens is based as much on the dealer busting as you pulling a great card. Your explanation has none of these criterion. Doubling a stiff also doesn’t follow with your explanation as my initial sentence shows.

    Also you want the pit to overestimate your buy-in so I am not sure why you insisted on a $50 buy-in. You just showed a huge win even if you got away with ratholing. Are you sure you have been in a casino? Maybe it was Chuckee Cheese.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: Gamblor said:
    I think it could be false to assume ringlejames actually does play.

    But I think it’s safe to say he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    I have a system where I factor in the neutral cards into my playing decisions and in this case the decks was heavy about 10-15 neutral cards. Deck was so loaded with 7-9’s. The actual hi-lo part of my count was highly negative. I get a 12 I figure the deck is neutral value card heavy, the actual count was negative, but not negative enough to over turn the neutral card heavy deck. Dealer had a 3 up I do believe. I got a 2 for 12 on the first doubled based on my analysis, got a 9 for 21. Got a 4 on my other ten for 14 deck still 7-9 rich. I got lucky on the 14 and pulled a 7.

    Wong does it all the time. He will even tell you so his self. In fact I even believe there is an article stating so on his site.

    Basically, the beginning of the deck pretty much only tens and aces and 2-6’s got played. I forget the actual ratio I used for the decision but I think it was 50 some odd cards 10-ace played, 50 some odd cards 2-6 played, and only like 10 or so 7-9s played. So the ratio was like 50:50:10. Telling me that the chances that a 7-9 will be the next few cards are amazingly high. Like super high.

    If your playing a 4 deck shoe and 50 some od cards 2-6 have been played and 50 some odd cards 10 ace have been played and only like 10 cards 7-9 had been played.

    If you are playing heads up against the dealer you get a 2 card 20 and the dealer shows a 3. Chances are if you split those hands your going to get 17-19. Math is there. I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

    I may only have been playing casino level for three years, but I am 100% certain I have played well over 100k hands of practice. I have nothing but time on my hands. I don’t need to work often and I love to learn.

    The math is there I just dont know it.

    zengrifter, is that you? Don’t you ever tire having fun? C’mon! Come clean. It is you. I’d know that sense of humor anywhere!

  • paddywhack

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    But I think it’s safe to say he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

    Haven’t we all?

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    zengrifter, is that you? Don’t you ever tire having fun? C’mon! Come clean. It is you. I’d know that sense of humor anywhere!

  • AussiePlayer

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    I may ramble a lot and post misleading information but I do know the game just a little bit better even than you probably. I just dont know all the fancy smancy math behind it. Or know why things happen, I just know they do and when to look for them.

    The math is there I just dont know it.

    This could be the smartest thing you’ve ever said!

  • jaygruden

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    zengrifter, is that you? Don’t you ever tire having fun? C’mon! Come clean. It is you. I’d know that sense of humor anywhere!

    Now that would be really funny…..talk about an extreme bout of trolling

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: 21gunsalute said:
    Please revisit rule #5 from post #11.

    Good lord. I got a post moved to the voodoo section. It needs to be in the stories section. Why dont you get some heat on me and ask The fitz in Tunica about a player on the second of November last year about a player who played for 4 hours on $50 and loved I mean loved to double on stiff hands and nothing else. Im sure they would be like huh. Your right we do. Goes against everything the math says. Huh. This guy might have something.

    Anyways that was for sonny 21gunsalute.

    My question for you, is… What the hell are you talking about?

  • tthree

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Good lord. I got a post moved to the voodoo section. It needs to be in the stories section. Why dont you get some heat on me and ask The fitz in Tunica about a player on the second of November last year about a player who played for 4 hours on $50 and loved I mean loved to double on stiff hands and nothing else. Im sure they would be like huh. Your right we do. Goes against everything the math says. Huh. This guy might have something.

    Anyways that was for sonny 21gunsalute.

    My question for you, is… What the hell are you talking about?

    Rule #5 of post #11: Use your brain.

    Translation don’t double stiffs versus a 3 because there is an abundance of middle cards. The 3 up card for the dealer is most subject to being risk averse indices because the key cards are neutral (middle) cards. An abundance of which makes the dealer very likely to hit out and make his hand, often to a 20 or 21. If that wasn’t just a story as your last post hints at, you got very lucky playing without using rule #5 of post #11.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: tthree said:
    Rule #5 of post #11: Use your brain.

    Translation don’t double stiffs versus a 3 because there is an abundance of middle cards. The 3 up card for the dealer is most subject to being risk averse indices because the key cards are neutral (middle) cards. An abundance of which makes the dealer very likely to hit out and make his hand, often to a 20 or 21. If that wasn’t just a story as your last post hints at, you got very lucky playing without using rule #5 of post #11.

    You just want to tear down someone who is smarter than you.

  • tthree

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    You just want to tear down someone who is smarter than you.

    If that is the right play he has a better understanding than me because it makes absolutely no sense to me. Maybe with a dealer up card of 6, MAYBE.

  • MeWin$

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Good lord. I got a post moved to the voodoo section. It needs to be in the stories section. Why dont you get some heat on me and ask The fitz in Tunica about a player on the second of November last year about a player who played for 4 hours on $50 and loved I mean loved to double on stiff hands and nothing else. Im sure they would be like huh. Your right we do. Goes against everything the math says. Huh. This guy might have something.

    Anyways that was for sonny 21gunsalute.

    My question for you, is… What the hell are you talking about?

    Manic.Depressive. In his manic phase.
    Tell me ringlejames, have you ever been diagnosed with a mental illness? And dont lie, the voices in ur head will find out

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