Yet Another Lazy Question Re: The Law and ID

  • LovinItAll

    Yet Another Lazy Question Re: The Law and ID

    Hey,

    Too lazy to look up the statute unless no one knows the answer, but:

    I was told recently that, when issuing a player’s card, it is a legal requirement in Nevada that the information on a player’s ID (Driver’s License, Passport, etc.) must be entered exactly as presented on the ID. This only matters from a personal perspective:

    One’s name is Gaylord Focker. Gaylord prefers to be called ‘Greg’, as Gaylord is his imprisoned father’s name and he would rather not answer questions regarding why his father flashed an 82 year-old man while doing a one-armed handstand in the middle of LV Blvd, subsequently causing a 12 car pile-up where another man got his schlong severed because he was receiving pleasure from the hooker he just picked up and she forgot to remove her teeth. The hooker is now suing because her dentures were damaged in the accident. The man’s willie was slung from the car and was run over by a one-eyed clown on a unicycle. It was reattached, but most of the girth was lost – he did pick up some length, though.

    The casino will not enter or reference ‘Greg’ in their system, citing Nevada law.

    Anyone?

    L.I.A.

  • Sucker

     

    There is no such law. It might be against a particular casino’s POLICY; and the girl LIED to you (or maybe her boss lied to HER) but that’s about it.

    Here’s another lie that even the COPS in Nevada will try to pull: “It’s against Nevada law to NOT have ID in your possession at all times”. If that were true then every homeless person in Vegas would be lining up at the jailhouse in order to get their “three hots & a cot”. And you could get arrested if you were to attempt to report a mugging.

  • bigplayer

     

    Quote: LovinItAll said:
    Hey,

    Too lazy to look up the statute unless no one knows the answer, but:

    I was told recently that, when issuing a player’s card, it is a legal requirement in Nevada that the information on a player’s ID (Driver’s License, Passport, etc.) must be entered exactly as presented on the ID. This only matters from a personal perspective:

    One’s name is Gaylord Focker. Gaylord prefers to be called ‘Greg’, as Gaylord is his imprisoned father’s name and he would rather not answer questions regarding why his father flashed an 82 year-old man while doing a one-armed handstand in the middle of LV Blvd, subsequently causing a 12 car pile-up where another man got his schlong severed because he was receiving pleasure from the hooker he just picked up and she forgot to remove her teeth. The hooker is now suing because her dentures were damaged in the accident. The man’s willie was slung from the car and was run over by a one-eyed clown on a unicycle. It was reattached, but most of the girth was lost – he did pick up some length, though.

    The casino will not enter or reference ‘Greg’ in their system, citing Nevada law.

    Anyone?

    L.I.A.

    Nevada law does not even require ID for a players card (which is just a loyalty card same as the one you get from a grocery store). It is casino rules that decide what they will require to get a players card. If the casino says they will only put your “official” name on the players card then you’ll just have to live with it.

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: bigplayer said:
    Nevada law does not even require ID for a players card (which is just a loyalty card same as the one you get from a grocery store). It is casino rules that decide what they will require to get a players card. If the casino says they will only put your “official” name on the players card then you’ll just have to live with it.

    They’ll put anything ON the card, it’s in the system that one place said, “Nevada law says…” and then blah, blah, bs, bs.

    Thanks,

    L.I.A.

  • Youk

     

    Quote: LovinItAll said:
    They’ll put anything ON the card, it’s in the system that one place said, “Nevada law says…” and then blah, blah, bs, bs.

    Thanks,

    L.I.A.

    100% lie. It is not Nevada law. It is casino policy, as bigplayer said. I know LVBear has worked on a lawsuit regarding that topic of lying to its customers, but I did not hear how that lawsuit turned out…

    On another note, it is also not Nevada law to scan your government ID. I have had multiple people try to scan my government ID, but I always flat out tell them to stop scanning. I had a problem at one casino that said it was Gaming regulation (100% lie), and I told them that it wasn’t. The person called their manager, and the manager said not to scan the ID.

  • Brock Windsor

    Thread should be moved.

    To the law section.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: Sucker said:
    There is no such law. It might be against a particular casino’s POLICY; and the girl LIED to you (or maybe her boss lied to HER) but that’s about it.

    Here’s another lie that even the COPS in Nevada will try to pull: “It’s against Nevada law to NOT have ID in your possession at all times”. If that were true then every homeless person in Vegas would be lining up at the jailhouse in order to get their “three hots & a cot”. And you could get arrested if you were to attempt to report a mugging.

    However, a casino may ask you to show your ID at any time. If you do not comply, it is their right under the “right to refuse service” to have you leave the premises. But it is my contention they cannot refuse to cash your chips.

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    However, a casino may ask you to show your ID at any time. If you do not comply, it is their right under the “right to refuse service” to have you leave the premises. But it is my contention they cannot refuse to cash your chips.

    (This is just a stupid pet peeve of mine)

    I don’t have an issue with that. Some of these joints have decided that they are a ‘first name culture’ (they cited the law when I said that if that’s the case, at least put the ‘name’ I wish to be called in the system so I wouldn’t be called by a name no one has ever addressed me by). ‘First name’ is fine, but at least take the time to figure out how to address a customer properly (to the folks who sweat flying under the radar, I understand your position. I should probably be more like you, but to get comped…)

    Some of the top 10 names of my generation were:

    Richard (Rich, Dick, Ritchie, Rick, Ricky)
    William (Will, Willie, Bill, Billy)
    James (Jim, Jimbo, Slick, et al)

    The odds of calling someone by their preferred name are actually pretty poor. I hate when someone half my age does the “I’ll just call you (whatever) because I know you so well” and then they get it wrong. What ever happened to “Hello, Mr. Smith” until they know for certain?

    Some of these places seem to be run by pencil pushers who have no clue how to really connect with their players.

    End of rant…sorry. This thread is meaningless.

    L.I.A.

  • FLASH1296

     

    I am so old, that when I first stepped foot in Nevada I was pleased
    to discover that I was always addressed as “Mister __” with the __
    being the first letter of my last name.

    That was actually part of the casino sub-culture.

    It was “as if” everyone was incognito, and loving it.

    I liked it, and I believe that nearly everyone else did as well.

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    I am so old, that when I first stepped foot in Nevada I was pleased
    to discover that I was always addressed as “Mister __” with the __
    being the first letter of my last name.

    That was actually part of the casino sub-culture.

    It was “as if” everyone was incognito, and loving it.

    I liked it, and I believe that nearly everyone else did as well.

    That was always a part of the allure of ‘old Vegas’. What the hell happened? Could leaders of organized crime have been THAT much smarter than corporate America?

    No answer required, as it’s obvious that at the service level, they ‘got it’. It’s almost depressing that our country is now led/run by buffoons.

  • FLASH1296

     

    > 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

    when the Pit Boss had “The Power of the Pen

    — meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

    with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp’s were requested.

    “What can I do for ya’ today, Mr. X ?”

    It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the “points” on my player’s card.

  • paddywhack

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the “points” on my player’s card.

    Or the fact that I don’t have one since I’m playing unrated.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: LovinItAll said:
    That was always a part of the allure of ‘old Vegas’. What the hell happened? Could leaders of organized crime have been THAT much smarter than corporate America?

    No answer required, as it’s obvious that at the service level, they ‘got it’. It’s almost depressing that our country is now led/run by buffoons.

    More precisely, bean counters. The mob(s) had it all right in some departments. In others, I’m happy they have assumed invisibility. Never doubt that they are still there, however.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    > 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

    when the Pit Boss had “The Power of the Pen

    — meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

    with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp’s were requested.

    “What can I do for ya’ today, Mr. X ?”

    It makes my stomach roil when I have to consider the “points” on my player’s card.

    But of course you can still avail yourself of many such uncarded comps, even at your level, but especially if you are at the $500 a hand and above level.

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    More precisely, bean counters. The mob(s) had it all right in some departments. In others, I’m happy they have assumed invisibility. Never doubt that they are still there, however.

    ^^^Yes.

    I think it’s pretty easy to understand, though. When the people openly running the joints were also familiar with the personalities of the players (because some were just like them), the entire vibe was different. Today, the mngmt. in some/most places just don’t ‘get it’. As has been stated by many, the real threat by cc’s is overblown, and some places are in diminishing return attempting to thwart AP BJ players. There’s a recently posted link to an article written for casino execs that addresses that statement.

    I think a casino could hang a sign that reads, “Most Card Counters Welcome” and then watch as profits soared. If they had a way to weed out the very best AP BJ players (top 10%?) or if they just had small-ish table limits, then I KNOW they would rake it in, as the influx of wannabes would more than offset losses. Just having someone spewing, “1,6,4,-2,A,-3” over the PA would throw off a bunch of folks.

    Take care ~ L.I.A.

  • FLASH1296

     

    Las Vegas commenced going to hell more than 40 years ago.

    It occurred when Circus Circus became the first casino to “go public”

    That dump was unloaded by the Sarnoff brothers, who became plutocrats with their brainstorm — Caesars Palace.

    That opened the doors to a flood of agents of the S.E.C., Treasury, and I.R.S.

    When Howard Hughes sold off casinos to corporations …

    Bent_Nose’s out. Bean_Counters in.

  • shadroch

     

    Call me silly but I’ll take todays games with their full decks and honest die to the games the “boys” used to offer.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    Call me silly but I’ll take todays games with their full decks and honest die to the games the “boys” used to offer.

    Yes, it is nice to know that we’ll probably get a fair shake nowadays, all things being considered. And it’s also progress that backrooming is a thing of the past in most American casinos. I have a low tolerance for pain.

  • blackjack avenger

    Ah, the Good Old Days

    Where there not fewer casinos?
    Could the casinos have been more free with comps due to more cheating?
    How were APs treated then?

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    > 87.5+% of the posters here — are too young to remember

    when the Pit Boss had “The Power of the Pen

    I really, really wish I was in that group, but times were beginning to change when I started coming out here.

    Quote:
    — meaning that he carried a pad in his pocket and was generally there,

    with a smile, to dispense whatever (reasonable) comp’s were requested.

    …and some unreasonable benefits, as well – if ‘unreasonable’ meant not exactly legal.

    I had an uncle that began running junkets to Vegas from the east coast in the 60’s. My parents went on countless trips through the 60’s and into the 70’s. I remember my mother declaring the “end of Vegas as we know it” when they started making players post before the trip, then deciding what comps they would get based on their play. Thankfully, she was around long enough to tell me about some wild 60’s stuff they experienced.

    I started coming in the 70’s. Of all the people to show me Vegas, I had my mother and father. I wouldn’t change a thing – they were treated like royalty, and I guarantee they left much more money behind as a result. Had they been in today’s Vegas…pffft.

    Quote:
    Could the casinos have been more free with comps due to more cheating?

    Notwithstanding the recent economic meltdown, have you looked at the the gaming commission reports? It wasn’t due to lack of money that they started nickle and diming players.

    Quote:
    How were APs treated then?

    Ha… I think cheating/collusion was much easier then due to the technology. Subtract that and I don’t think that any smart AP had a big problem. If one got greedy, though, today’s climate is, well….safer, methinks. I don’t think getting trespassed was the first line of defense for the casinos, you know?

    As always, my comments are subjective.

    Best ~ L.I.A.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: LovinItAll said:
    I really, really wish I was in that group, but times were beginning to change when I started coming out here.

    …and some unreasonable benefits, as well – if ‘unreasonable’ meant not exactly legal.

    I had an uncle that began running junkets to Vegas from the east coast in the 60’s. My parents went on countless trips through the 60’s and into the 70’s. I remember my mother declaring the “end of Vegas as we know it” when they started making players post before the trip, then deciding what comps they would get based on their play. Thankfully, she was around long enough to tell me about some wild 60’s stuff they experienced.

    I started coming in the 70’s. Of all the people to show me Vegas, I had my mother and father. I wouldn’t change a thing – they were treated like royalty, and I guarantee they left much more money behind as a result. Had they been in today’s Vegas…pffft.

    Notwithstanding the recent economic meltdown, have you looked at the the gaming commission reports? It wasn’t due to lack of money that they started nickle and diming players.

    Ha… I think cheating/collusion was much easier then due to the technology. Subtract that and I don’t think that any smart AP had a big problem. If one got greedy, though, today’s climate is, well….safer, methinks. I don’t think getting trespassed was the first line of defense for the casinos, you know?

    As always, my comments are subjective.

    Best ~ L.I.A.

    Your Uncle wasn’t Bill S., was he?

  • LovinItAll

     

    Quote: aslan said:
    Your Uncle wasn’t Bill S., was he?

    No – Al W. from Jax.

    I had another relative who spent a lot of time in Vegas and tried to open a nice, Vegas-style club in Jax. He got Hackett there along with some other Vegas regs, but Jax. was a cow town back then and the concept never flew. He was buddies with Bob Crane and crew – not exactly a resounding character reference, but when you’re a kid, celebs of any kind seem cool (until they’re accused of murder, of course).

    They’re all dead now, so I’m not outing anyone.

    L.I.A.

  • aslan

     

    Quote: LovinItAll said:
    No – Al W. from Jax.

    I had another relative who spent a lot of time in Vegas and tried to open a nice, Vegas-style club in Jax. He got Hackett there along with some other Vegas regs, but Jax. was a cow town back then and the concept never flew. He was buddies with Bob Crane and crew – not exactly a resounding character reference, but when you’re a kid, celebs of any kind seem cool (until they’re accused of murder, of course).

    They’re all dead now, so I’m not outing anyone.

    L.I.A.

    Yup, friend of mine was running junkets to Vegas about the same time. He had already “run into” those who then ran Vegas when he was “caught” steering high roller poker players to private games outside the casinos. But then he struck this deal, to run junkets from the east coast to LV, a profitable endeavor.

    You mentioned Hackett. My wife told me he was one of the crew who frequented her uncle’s house back in the day. He’s another story.

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