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[ChefJJ]

I know that's what you were saying (I wasn't referring to you), but it seems like everyone thinks he was going to go in and just "see what happens". I was just wondering where that came from.



Actually, I do think EV is more important than how much money you have netted. A martingale player who is -EV may have made more than a +EV counter after x amount of hours, but that doesnt mean they are better or will make more in the long run. A -EV player who has made a ton of money is not better than a +EV player that has lost money.

Well said.

good luck

 

[eps6724]

Oh yeah, another fallback plan could be male prostitution...hey, it's Vegas baby!

Remember, everything he touches turns to gold...OUCH!!!

 

[Sonny]

...it seems like everyone thinks he was going to go in and just "see what happens". I was just wondering where that came from.

On 4/9 he responded:

“I've never been to Vegas so I don't really know exactly what they got. I really plan on having just a $100 max bet and then I'll decide about wonging, spreading, units ect on the fly in game. That's the only way. You have to react to those things and not plan ahead.”

I think that’s where people got the impression that he doesn’t have a solid plan and doesn’t know what to expect. It was suggested that he get a copy of CBJN and work out a strategy for which casinos to play and what bet spread to use for each. Only then would he really know how much money to expect to earn. Hopefully more of a plan has been made since then.

-Sonny-

 

[bluewhale]

SCMC has hinted at this and i'm sure that BJ is not his "main game"
i'm sure he'll be hustling poker, sportsbetting, and maybe prostitution cool2

so you can't really judge how he'll do based solely on his BJ abilities. but i do have to agree with the guy about net money made. any real AP who has been playing for any real amount of time will be in the black. there are lots of different ways to win at gambling, and if you are good, you'll be showing some major $$$. obv. all people who have won money gambling are not good gamblers (progression winners, etc.), but all good gamblers must have won $$.

 

[supercoolmancool]

SCMC has hinted at this and i'm sure that BJ is not his "main game"
i'm sure he'll be hustling poker, sportsbetting, and maybe prostitution cool2

so you can't really judge how he'll do based solely on his BJ abilities. but i do have to agree with the guy about net money made. any real AP who has been playing for any real amount of time will be in the black. there are lots of different ways to win at gambling, and if you are good, you'll be showing some major $$$. obv. all people who have won money gambling are not good gamblers (progression winners, etc.), but all good gamblers must have won $$.

I don't know for sure, but I think I may have read or heard somewhere that Peter Griffin is a lifetime loser at blackjack. And I know at least Sonny will agree, it is possible to be a good lifetime loser.

 

[sagefr0g]

I don't know for sure, but I think I may have read or heard somewhere that Peter Griffin is a lifetime loser at blackjack. And I know at least Sonny will agree, it is possible to be a good lifetime loser.

in his book he talks about not having done so well.
it's reported however that he later went on to do well. sorry can't recall where that report was from.

 

[Kasi]

Just a hunch, but I'm sure he knows more about math than you do, considering he is a math major. He knows more than I do now, and I did "insanely good" on my math ACT.

I was only quoting him.

For all I know he has high standards and his actual score was a 799. What did he get in math on his SAT's?

I don't even know what ACT is. Maybe it wasn't around in my day.

Try not to play too many hunches in BJ, it often doesn't work out too well.

 

[Kasi]

I'll bet you didn't do so insanely "well" on the English portion :grin:

I bet SCMC did insanely "badly" on his English portion

 

[Kasi]

OK, I'm just curious as to who came up with the idea that we wouldn't have a plan.

Are you going with him?

 

[ScottH]

Are you going with him?

Neither of us have made definitive plans to go yet. These ideas were just thrown out there to get advice should we decide to go.

It looks like we will be practicing and building the bankroll all summer, then go from there.

 

[Kasi]

I am not close to $15-$20K, but I should have it by the end of the summer and if not I will be really close. And yes, I can memorize unlimited amounts of information insanely quickly without the need for continuous review. And yes, I realize I have said a ton of incredibly stupid things in this thread. Sorry.

Glad to hear that SCMC. At least you have plenty of time to perhaps prepare in a little more detail for what you will encounter. No need to apologize for anything. You're not alone - alot of people think it will be easy but you may find out it's not as easy as you thought. And alot of people maybe don't have a real precise idea of what they're doing. So everything's cool Coolman!

 

[sagefr0g]

Glad to hear that SCMC. At least you have plenty of time to perhaps prepare in a little more detail for what you will encounter. No need to apologize for anything. You're not alone - alot of people think it will be easy but you may find out it's not as easy as you thought. And alot of people maybe don't have a real precise idea of what they're doing. So everything's cool Coolman!

my experience with just about any attempt at reaching a goal is that the simplest of things are mind boggling difficult.

 

[bluewhale]

I don't know for sure, but I think I may have read or heard somewhere that Peter Griffin is a lifetime loser at blackjack. And I know at least Sonny will agree, it is possible to be a good lifetime loser.

sorry, but theres no such thing as a good loser. if you're good, you win, end of story. being good involves all aspects... managing your money, cover, getting in the hours, gaining huge advantages, totally abusing loopholes and massive advantages. there is only 1 thing that matters, and thats your bottom line. :whip:

yes its possible to straight count your lifetime and end up down, but this isn't a good player. anyone can learn to straight count and bet with the count in a week. advantage play involves a hell of a lot of things, and counting is just the tip of that VERY massive iceberg.

 

[Kasi]

Neither of us have made definitive plans to go yet. These ideas were just thrown out there to get advice should we decide to go.
It looks like we will be practicing and building the bankroll all summer, then go from there.

Sounds like a plan - good to have a friend in Vegas. Nothing wrong with moving there but u/he might want to plan on getting a job like a normal person and play whenever like somebody suggested. Maybe Coolman could teach math somewhere if he's a math major. Write the Wiz and ask about it.

Is your plan to become a pro too? What are u guys doing over the summer to build the bankroll? Just curious - no need to tell me if u don't want to. Have you considered betting to the combined bankroll?

How will you be practicing? Again just curious.

Am I the -EV guy you were talking about lol? Again just wondering. It's OK - I've been called worse lol.

If u guys make it by Nov let me know and I'll buy u a beer at Slots of Fun.

 

[ScottH]

Have you considered betting to the combined bankroll?

That's what we would be doing.

If u guys make it by Nov let me know and I'll buy u a beer at Slots of Fun.

I just might take you up on that offer! We will be going to Vegas sometime over the summer to check things out as suggested. So we will be in Vegas sometime soon regardless of what we decide to do.

 

[Kaiser]

Hey, I'll be in Vegas May 11-14. We should have a few beers and see what kind of trouble we can brew up there. :laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I just might take you up on that offer! We will be going to Vegas sometime over the summer to check things out as suggested. So we will be in Vegas sometime soon regardless of what we decide to do.

Why Vegas, though? With your current bankrolls, you have better games locally. You two should plan a road trip through Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan instead.

 

[supercoolmancool]

Why Vegas, though? With your current bankrolls, you have better games locally. You two should plan a road trip through Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan instead.

That Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan trip would be way more costly and waste a lot of time traveling. We want to check out Vegas because we'd probably live there if we decided to go pro. I hear it has way more casinos and they are all pretty close together with cheap plane tickets and hotel stays.

 

[supercoolmancool]

Hey, I'll be in Vegas May 11-14. We should have a few beers and see what kind of trouble we can brew up there. :laugh:

Thanks, but we probably wont be in Vegas during that time.

 

[ScottH]

Why Vegas, though? With your current bankrolls, you have better games locally. You two should plan a road trip through Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan instead.

You're right there are some great games out here to exploit, but like supercool mentioned, our bankrolls won't be able to support traveling expenses.

Around here casinos are more spread out so we would have to travel around to keep our welcome. Traveling costs money.