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[Automatic Monkey]

You're right there are some great games out here to exploit, but like supercool mentioned, our bankrolls won't be able to support traveling expenses.

Around here casinos are more spread out so we would have to travel around to keep our welcome. Traveling costs money.

Traveling to Vegas costs somewhat more money. It's going to cost you the better part of $100 for the two of you just getting to and from the airport. Then there's airfare, and lodging (the kind that will make you wish you were home). Plan on $1K combined expenses for 10 days. On a Northern trip, you'll be sharing a clean $40 motel room each night and $200-$500 total for gas, depending on what you are driving and where you go. The smiles will be real and the girls won't smell like sweaty polyester and cigarettes.

Most importantly, the games will be better. There are only a couple of good games for guys like you left in Vegas and you will get douched out of there a hell of a lot faster than you will at Prairie's Edge, Mystic or the Mighty Turtle. You'll end up playing crappy games Downtown or mediocre games in locals joints on the outskirts (which will require a car rental, more expenses and $$$ if you are under 25.)

Just some advice from a guy who has already made all of these trips and can compare the relative merits.

 

[Kaiser]

There are only a couple of good games for guys like you left in Vegas and you will get douched out of there a hell of a lot faster than you will at Prairie's Edge, Mystic or the Mighty Turtle.

I can't let this great line go unquoted. I'm still laughing my ass off.

:laugh:

 

[EasyRhino]

"douching" is a technical blackjack term.

 

[shadroch]

Assuming you are both just 21,renting a car will be both problematic and expensive.Without a car,your places to play drops, your time spend traveling increases and the rate you'll pay for hotel goes up.
Have you even looked into what airfare and hotels will run?

 

[Kasi]

That's what we would be doing.
I just might take you up on that offer! We will be going to Vegas sometime over the summer to check things out as suggested. So we will be in Vegas sometime soon regardless of what we decide to do.

Well betting to a combined bankroll might be a little complicated.

Before you go check in here with a plan!

And keep us posted!

 

[ScottH]

Well betting to a combined bankroll might be a little complicated.

Not if we both invest 50% of the money. Then it would be simple, we each play the same amount of hours and we are each responsible for 50% of the winnings/losses. Expenses would also be split evenly. We would just play as one person with twice as much money.

It would get more complicated if one person invested more, or one played more than the other, but we would try to make it even so there would be no hassles like that.

 

[Kasi]

Not if we both invest 50% of the money. Then it would be simple, we each play the same amount of hours and we are each responsible for 50% of the winnings/losses. Expenses would also be split evenly. We would just play as one person with twice as much money.

It would get more complicated if one person invested more, or one played more than the other, but we would try to make it even so there would be no hassles like that.

I hope you both continue to believe your skill levels are at the identical high level even after he reports losing the session bankroll 3 times in a row and you've won 3 times in a row.

And that u believe when he wins $500 he will never report $100.

And that not only will u play the same amount of hours you both will play the same game in the same agreed-upon way.

Etc.

 

[ScottH]

I hope you both continue to believe your skill levels are at the identical high level even after he reports losing the session bankroll 3 times in a row and you've won 3 times in a row.

And that u believe when he wins $500 he will never report $100.

And that not only will u play the same amount of hours you both will play the same game in the same agreed-upon way.

Etc.

Oh, trust is not an issue at all between us two. We have been friends for a long time, long before we learned blackjack.

Also, the both of us should definitely be good players. After this summer, doubting skill should not really be a problem. I am always reluctant to have someone else be responsible for my money, but I know supercool will be good enough where there will be no difference between me and him. Only variance will decide how we each do. I have always hated having someone else's play affect my outcome. I fear that they will not be good enough and will cost me money. But the benefit of having double the bankroll and decreased variance is worth that risk.

With supercool, that risk is not very high. I don't know how we will be at all AP techniques yet, but for at least straight counting we are pretty much equal in technical skill.

 

[Kasi]

I am always reluctant to have someone else be responsible for my money...Only variance will decide how we each do. But the benefit of having double the bankroll and decreased variance is worth that risk.

I would be too lol.

I hope you'll at least be able to measure the variance as to the liklihood of your results happening.

I'm not sure but doubling your bankroll will not decrease your variance in terms of units, will it?

But it will increase the absolute dollars you might lose.

Better ask Coolman on that one! See what he says.

 

[ScottH]

I would be too lol.

I hope you'll at least be able to measure the variance as to the liklihood of your results happening.

I'm not sure but doubling your bankroll will not decrease your variance in terms of units, will it?

But it will increase the absolute dollars you might lose.

Better ask Coolman on that one! See what he says.

The variance is decreased because we will be playing twice as many hands with 2 people, so we will reach our expected result faster. So if one of us has a bad run, the other one will probably balance it out.

 

[markhowe]

kelly progression has no advantage over flat betting!

Any evidence to prove otherwise would be interesting!

By the way, be careful of the Criminal selling roulette systems and computers in Australia, the authorities are investigating him currently after i revealed how his footage was simple dealer signature.

This is just to warn you guys interested in roulette computers or systems sold by Stefano hourmouzis in Australia

Hi there

It may be worth taking a look at this footage using Dealer signature to predict area of a wheel, most Croupiers can do this, but this one individual Stefano Hourmouzis is doing it claiming he has a magical system, authorities now looking into it in Australia.
Check out the systems first at
http://www.genuinewinner.com/
http://www.roulettecomputers.com/
(Dead link: http://site-promotion.com)

Check out the full video of this conman halfway down this sites index page

(Dead link: http://computeroulette.com) and see how I have captured his dealer signature influence to produce the results, so this is actually a scam!!

If this guy is doing this, casino Croupiers can do it also, which I have know about for a long time, so that means they have a greater edge than the one that is given by LAW OF THE LAND!

 

[sagefr0g]

Thanks. That sounds like incredible advice. Is it safe to say that everyone agrees with Shadroch?

i dunno.

are you and ScottH going to finish school?

 

[Brutus]

Finishing school would be a +value decision.

dressing like a tweaker bum and counting cards at the western would make a great story for a " what I did over my summer vacation" piece. Only thing is, the real bums and probably the mgt. could recognize you are not bums at all.
the mgt. may back you off, the real bums may break your backs and take your jack.

Your cover is what I see as the biggest obstacle to overcome.

 

[supercoolmancool]

i dunno.

are you and ScottH going to finish school?

When you hesitate, you are acting as though you are immortal.

Finishing school would be a +value decision.

dressing like a tweaker bum and counting cards at the western would make a great story for a " what I did over my summer vacation" piece. Only thing is, the real bums and probably the mgt. could recognize you are not bums at all.
the mgt. may back you off, the real bums may break your backs and take your jack.

Your cover is what I see as the biggest obstacle to overcome.

I have a rule which says I have to succeed.

 

[Brutus]

I have a rule which says I have to succeed.

the bums of the world have rules too. they come in all shapes, sizes, intellect levels, dress, undress, sexual preference, bankroll, and colors. Funny thing alot of bums are territorial. They dont like someone else messing up their action. being able to recognize some of that when you are out of your element might come in handy.

you might try doing some panhandling in an area where you wont be recognized.
or even better, try some begging in vegas in your new outfits. fold up your "will work for food" sign before you hit the bj table in the plain sight of the pb.

 

[sagefr0g]

When you hesitate, you are acting as though you are immortal.

yeah the good thing about finishing school is it's finite. learning though can be for a life time.

I have a rule which says I have to succeed.

so you have your prioities in order then.

 

[ScottH]

Finishing school would be a +value decision.

I used to think so, now... not so much. School is too overpriced for what you actually get out of it. I've really gotten everything I need out of it in terms of things that I can actually use in my everyday life. If I continue it will only benefit me if I were to become a professional in that occupation. But... like supercoolmancool, I don't want to "work" for a living.

Before anyone comes at me saying it's as much work to play BJ professionally, maybe more, I know. Only difference is with blackjack you do it on your own terms, and I really don't consider it "work". It's more fun.

 

[21forme]

Anything you have to do to put food on the table isn't as much fun as when it was a recreational activity (eg., fishing.)

What if all the casinos put in CSMs? You need something to fall back on.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I used to think so, now... not so much. School is too overpriced for what you actually get out of it. I've really gotten everything I need out of it in terms of things that I can actually use in my everyday life. If I continue it will only benefit me if I were to become a professional in that occupation. But... like supercoolmancool, I don't want to "work" for a living.

Before anyone comes at me saying it's as much work to play BJ professionally, maybe more, I know. Only difference is with blackjack you do it on your own terms, and I really don't consider it "work". It's more fun.

There's one very important thing to consider though, and that is if you change your mind, it's hard to go back. I took a degree in physics myself, and work as an engineer. I could play BJ full time if I wanted to. So let's say I did that, and in 5 years or so either the game became no longer profitable or I just didn't want to do it anymore. I can always go back to engineering. But what if I didn't have my education? I'd be screwed.

See you two don't think you want to be educated and salaried workers and that you do want to be full-time AP's. But you don't know that, because you have never been either! And it's a lot easier to go from a normal, professional job to being an AP than it is the other way around. In fact, let's say you did go AP for a few years, then you were to interview for a job, you could tell the absolute truth about what you were doing to the risk-averse robot on the other side of the desk, and no matter how well you explain it, all he is going to hear is "Person with gambling problem, reject, reject."

Besides, what's wrong with getting a good job and building a decent BR first, then going to Vegas?

 

[Brutus]

I used to think so, now... not so much. School is too overpriced for what you actually get out of it. I've really gotten everything I need out of it in terms of things that I can actually use in my everyday life. If I continue it will only benefit me if I were to become a professional in that occupation. But... like supercoolmancool, I don't want to "work" for a living.

Before anyone comes at me saying it's as much work to play BJ professionally, maybe more, I know. Only difference is with blackjack you do it on your own terms, and I really don't consider it "work". It's more fun.

I dont care much for straight work either. Enjoyment is the name of the game.