Cipher- The Wizard of BJ
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Did you buy his program and use it yourself, or did you "invest" in Cipher and never get any profits?
Now you know why I was opposing your view on Cipher's software so intensely. At the time it always looks like I'm just trying to be an ass and am attacking the person. Then later you realize that I was just trying to help, and that I was giving good advice.
It's hard to take advice when your way seems to be going so well. Unfortunately, the best way to learn a lesson about things like this is to lose your shirt! That's how I found out and I won't forget it. I just wish I would have had someone telling me how much of an idiot I was BEFORE I did!
So when I attack someone for utilizing a faulty idea, I only have good intentions. And I do it for free!
Now you know why I was opposing your view on Cipher's software so intensely. At the time it always looks like I'm just trying to be an ass and am attacking the person. Then later you realize that I was just trying to help, and that I was giving good advice.
It's hard to take advice when your way seems to be going so well. Unfortunately, the best way to learn a lesson about things like this is to lose your shirt! That's how I found out and I won't forget it. I just wish I would have had someone telling me how much of an idiot I was BEFORE I did!
So when I attack someone for utilizing a faulty idea, I only have good intentions. And I do it for free!
CIPHER, you are using the same tone of communication with someone who beleived in your scheme as ayou use with those of us who have consistently DEBUNKED CIPHER BJ.
CIPHER, please go ahead and tell us your side of the story - if there's one thing I've learned in life, there is always two (at least) sides to a conflict. zg
CIPHER, please go ahead and tell us your side of the story - if there's one thing I've learned in life, there is always two (at least) sides to a conflict. zg
There two different things here that I think is getting confused with each other.
One, the Cipher software and
Two, Bruce himself.
The Cipher software.....several times I've taken $200-$500 to over $2,500 using the software. So that is why I say it worked well. BUT poor money management, betting bigger because of my increased bankroll, caused me to lose too much too soon running out of money to place that bigger bet needed to make up for losses before. So in the end...no profits. Got too greeeeeedy. Same ole story you've heard many times. Would it worked if I stayed very conservative? Perhaps, but I'm not interested in testing that right now.
Cipher himself....obviously my posting Cipher-The Wizard of BJ tells that story and has nothing to do with the software working or not working. But my experience with the software did play a part in why (oh, why?) I gave him the $20,000 for investing (cough cough) in his blackjack play. Other than that, I judge the software and Bruce/Cipher himself separately.
One, the Cipher software and
Two, Bruce himself.
The Cipher software.....several times I've taken $200-$500 to over $2,500 using the software. So that is why I say it worked well. BUT poor money management, betting bigger because of my increased bankroll, caused me to lose too much too soon running out of money to place that bigger bet needed to make up for losses before. So in the end...no profits. Got too greeeeeedy. Same ole story you've heard many times. Would it worked if I stayed very conservative? Perhaps, but I'm not interested in testing that right now.
Cipher himself....obviously my posting Cipher-The Wizard of BJ tells that story and has nothing to do with the software working or not working. But my experience with the software did play a part in why (oh, why?) I gave him the $20,000 for investing (cough cough) in his blackjack play. Other than that, I judge the software and Bruce/Cipher himself separately.
There are no "hidden" things lurking in the closet or deep-seated secrets awaiting to be unveiled by Cipher. Any neutral party can come to my place and see for themselves the emails to and from Cipher. He/she/they can check the email properties to see where each email originated to verify that I didn't make the emails up. Now why would I do nefarious (sp?) stuff to Cipher when he had me by the balls holding my money???
Most likely Cipher needs the infamous "two days" to pore over my Wiz of BJ posting, pick it apart, casting doubts about things that don't matter to discredit the main point of the posting which is that I gave Cipher $20,000 and he's not giving it back. I wear the dunce cap publicly for foolishly trusting him and as warning to others.
Most likely Cipher needs the infamous "two days" to pore over my Wiz of BJ posting, pick it apart, casting doubts about things that don't matter to discredit the main point of the posting which is that I gave Cipher $20,000 and he's not giving it back. I wear the dunce cap publicly for foolishly trusting him and as warning to others.
A sad story but the first thing that hit me
It is a sad story but the first thing that will always pop into my mind when I see something like this is if something seems to good to be true, it generally will not be true.
15% return per year is a high return and highly possible in many investment areas. 15% per MONTH, sets off alarm bells in my mind. If I had a business plan that was so good, so profitable that I could pay investors 15% per month, there would be banks and investors lining up at my door to loan me the money at a decent rate or wanting to purchase stock in my venture. They would be willing creditors or partners without any promise of 15% per month.
Not forgiving the con man at all but the con only works on someone who has some larceny and greed motivating them. The con man deserves to be put in jail, his customer in cases like this needs to accept some of the blame for his being greedy and accept his loss.
On a personal note. I have invested in a couple of start ups based upon a prospectus of initial stock offerings. These were in a field I knew and understood. In one case my profit was so large after a couple of years that it was beyond this 15% per month, in another case I made a few dollars and bailed out, and in the third case I lost every cent invested. A deal like the one in this thread, I would laugh off as an obvious sceme and not touch.
To good to be true!
ihate17
It is a sad story but the first thing that will always pop into my mind when I see something like this is if something seems to good to be true, it generally will not be true.
15% return per year is a high return and highly possible in many investment areas. 15% per MONTH, sets off alarm bells in my mind. If I had a business plan that was so good, so profitable that I could pay investors 15% per month, there would be banks and investors lining up at my door to loan me the money at a decent rate or wanting to purchase stock in my venture. They would be willing creditors or partners without any promise of 15% per month.
Not forgiving the con man at all but the con only works on someone who has some larceny and greed motivating them. The con man deserves to be put in jail, his customer in cases like this needs to accept some of the blame for his being greedy and accept his loss.
On a personal note. I have invested in a couple of start ups based upon a prospectus of initial stock offerings. These were in a field I knew and understood. In one case my profit was so large after a couple of years that it was beyond this 15% per month, in another case I made a few dollars and bailed out, and in the third case I lost every cent invested. A deal like the one in this thread, I would laugh off as an obvious sceme and not touch.
To good to be true!
ihate17
No way, not good ol’ Cipher! According to a post on his website he is always “talking straight and telling it the way it is.” Oh wait, that was the post that he deleted because it was full of incriminating evidence against him. Hmmm.
The stories have been going on for over a year now with not a single legit answer. I guess we’ll have to default to the latter.
And then there’s a little group called the IRS, although I’ve heard that they are pretty lenient with tax evasion and money structuring. :laugh:
So Cipher, when does LC get his money back? It's a simple question that doesn't involve volcanoes!
-Sonny-
P.S. - Does anyone else find it ironic that LC’s main reason for trusting Cipher was because of his ability to get online casinos to pay their customers what they were rightfully owed? Perhaps that’s where Cipher learned all of his stalling tactics!
The stories have been going on for over a year now with not a single legit answer. I guess we’ll have to default to the latter.
And then there’s a little group called the IRS, although I’ve heard that they are pretty lenient with tax evasion and money structuring. :laugh:
So Cipher, when does LC get his money back? It's a simple question that doesn't involve volcanoes!
-Sonny-
P.S. - Does anyone else find it ironic that LC’s main reason for trusting Cipher was because of his ability to get online casinos to pay their customers what they were rightfully owed? Perhaps that’s where Cipher learned all of his stalling tactics!