Hilton's 2 deckers

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Tarzan

Tarzan

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Smart marketing

Smart and strategic marketing if just not these people's forte, Thunder. I have heard things about how these people think and I have also seen this behavior in other corporate environments in unrelated industries so I don't doubt it for a minute! It's goes sort of like this---The main guy, the "Grand Wazoo" presides over a marketing meeting. They all sit and stew over stuff and the "underlings" of the Grand Wazoo are all tight lipped because to say nothing at all is better than to say something something in error or to suggest anything that turns out to be a drastic mistake. They will avoid chance, risk of any kind to the point of having a lack of innovativeness or creativity. The Grand Wazoo himself makes some LAME idea or suggestion and all of the "yes men" around him (that are ass-kissing f*cktards that are thinking of their next bonus or promotion and couldn't give two flying sh*ts about anything else other than complimenting and smooging the boss accordingly) all tell him what a brilliant idea it is and then muse over the details of how to make it all happen even if it is the stupidest damn idea imaginable that any idiot could plainly recognize as being nonproductive or even detrimental to the company interests.

All the casinos in AC also seem to "follow suit" with each other, which is to say that none of them will deviate from what the other casinos are doing. They will not do anything innovative or original as a rule and will only try to copy or mimick something that is similar to what everyone else is doing.
 
Automatic Monkey

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Tarzan said:
Smart and strategic marketing if just not these people's forte, Thunder. I have heard things about how these people think and I have also seen this behavior in other corporate environments in unrelated industries so I don't doubt it for a minute! It's goes sort of like this---The main guy, the "Grand Wazoo" presides over a marketing meeting. They all sit and stew over stuff and the "underlings" of the Grand Wazoo are all tight lipped because to say nothing at all is better than to say something something in error or to suggest anything that turns out to be a drastic mistake. They will avoid chance, risk of any kind to the point of having a lack of innovativeness or creativity. The Grand Wazoo himself makes some LAME idea or suggestion and all of the "yes men" around him (that are ass-kissing f*cktards that are thinking of their next bonus or promotion and couldn't give two flying sh*ts about anything else other than complimenting and smooging the boss accordingly) all tell him what a brilliant idea it is and then muse over the details of how to make it all happen even if it is the stupidest damn idea imaginable that any idiot could plainly recognize as being nonproductive or even detrimental to the company interests.

All the casinos in AC also seem to "follow suit" with each other, which is to say that none of them will deviate from what the other casinos are doing. They will not do anything innovative or original as a rule and will only try to copy or mimick something that is similar to what everyone else is doing.
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Excellent description of most executive meetings. Everyone is in there trying to secure their place in the organization, not trying to make the organization accomplish anything. It's really ludicrous sometimes.
 
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Thunder

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Apparently there is more to the story as to why they've closed their 2 deck games than the shufflers simply being "broken." I blame some of you on this very message board :)
 
daddybo

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Thunder said:
Apparently there is more to the story as to why they've closed their 2 deck games than the shufflers simply being "broken." I blame some of you on this very message board :)
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There are 126,000 reasons I'm sure. ::whip: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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If the alleged rumor is true, they were expert HC'ers, but that is not how they beat the game. They just may have been expert advantage players feasting on a flaw of the game.
 
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peaegg

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Abenzio said:
More bad news are for Hilton

We all know that Hilton removed the 2-decker-shufflers.
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I didn't but I found it out myself over the weekend. This thread became so long that I get lost in it. Now I am contributing to its length myself:). Perhaps I should start a new one says "new updates from Hilton".

In short I agree the place is getting worse. They used to have 5 tables outside of high limit area that has a game of $25 6d NMS S17. Now reduced to 3. The rest all have a big red sign of H17. Those 3 S17 almost always full, while 6 open $100 min table only entertained 1 or 2 players at a time. The worst part is that the pen at those 3 S17 got so bad that I will not like to revisit the place anymore. It used to be 1 to 1.25 cut, pretty consistent among all dealers. Now it is 1.5 or even 2, dealer dependent. There was a relief who complained to the floor when she pulled out the cut out from the shoe before shuffle. She made the floor aware that the regular dealer only cut out 1.5 deck. The floor replied that she agrees that was too thin and will let the regular know. That really pissed me off. Of course I refused to play with her and managed to edge out a small win from a short session.
 
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Abenzio

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Can another AC regular player please confirm or deny the current status of Hilton's 2deckers (pitch games):

1) Table#003, active: a blackchip game with a holecard, 75% pen, subject to change, (Hilton currently cans the no-holecard game).
2) Table#608, active: a greenchip game with a holecard, 50%-pen, subject to change, and
3) Table#609, active: a redchip game with a holecard, 50%-pen, subject to change.

All regular Hilton's bj rules apply, especially the H17 rule for all the pitch games.
 
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bjcount

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Abenzio said:
Can another AC regular player please confirm or deny the current status of Hilton's 2deckers (pitch games):

1) Table#003, active: a blackchip game with a holecard, 75% pen, subject to change, (Hilton currently cans the no-holecard game).
2) Table#608, active: a greenchip game with a holecard, 50%-pen, subject to change, and
3) Table#609, active: a redchip game with a holecard, 50%-pen, subject to change.

All regular Hilton's bj rules apply, especially the H17 rule for all the pitch games.
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If I recall correctly you posted similar crap regarding the dd games on bj21 with a link to Hiltons website that said in the link "to contact you".... which was later busted within days.

BJC
 
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aslan

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I just returned from a couple of days in AC. Needless to say, I did not waste any time checking out the Hilton. The games at Borgata were decent, 5, 10, 15 and 25. The pen was good enough (70 to 80). Had a great time, and returned with a modest $550 for about 8 short sessions. All you have to do is wong out from table to table until you get a good session, or as I did, spill a White Russian all over the table and they will help you wong out--no extra charge.:eek:

Drove my friend over to Harrah's to pick up some free slot play--first time there for me. I checked out the VP machines--all I saw were 7/5. At least Borgata has a slew of 9/6 machines.

Don't hold you breath for double deck any time soon. Casinos are not especially logical in their marketing strategies. They have it down to a science how to keep advantage play to a minimum and they seem to be fat, dumb and happy, not wanting to change anything in a formula that seems to work pretty well (full tables, poor pen, 8-deck, H17, and 6/5 SD are easy to find). Sometimes I think they'd rather lose $10,000,000 from lack of play, than lose $10,000 to advantage play. Maybe after PA, DE, and WV pick off half their customer base, they will take notice, but I wouldn't count on any changes until then. The states might just shoot themselves in their own feet with unplayable DD games, pen-wise or rule-wise, forcing us all to travel to more friendly venues around the country. But for now, I still find a few opportunities even in AC.
 
Automatic Monkey

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aslan said:
I just returned from a couple of days in AC. Needless to say, I did not waste any time checking out the Hilton. The games at Borgata were decent, 5, 10, 15 and 25. The pen was good enough (70 to 80). Had a great time, and returned with a modest $550 for about 8 short sessions. All you have to do is wong out from table to table until you get a good session, or as I did, spill a White Russian all over the table and they will help you wong out--no extra charge.:eek:

Drove my friend over to Harrah's to pick up some free slot play--first time there for me. I checked out the VP machines--all I saw were 7/5. At least Borgata has a slew of 9/6 machines.

Don't hold you breath for double deck any time soon. Casinos are not especially logical in their marketing strategies. They have it down to a science how to keep advantage play to a minimum and they seem to be fat, dumb and happy, not wanting to change anything in a formula that seems to work pretty well (full tables, poor pen, 8-deck, H17, and 6/5 SD are easy to find). Sometimes I think they'd rather lose $10,000,000 from lack of play, than lose $10,000 to advantage play. Maybe after PA, DE, and WV pick off half their customer base, they will take notice, but I wouldn't count on any changes until then. The states might just shoot themselves in their own feet with unplayable DD games, pen-wise or rule-wise, forcing us all to travel to more friendly venues around the country. But for now, I still find a few opportunities even in AC.
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All AC stores have some full-pay VP. Not always easy to find, though.

Of all the sins you describe, the worst one in my opinion is full tables. Regarding rules and all that, to the customers they consider profitable it makes not the slightest hint of a difference. Table games in the Eastern US are now the province of Asian immigrants who base their gaming decisions on their traditional ideas of fate and luck and could not care less if a game is H17 or S17.
 
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Thunder

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aslan said:
I just returned from a couple of days in AC. Needless to say, I did not waste any time checking out the Hilton. The games at Borgata were decent, 5, 10, 15 and 25. The pen was good enough (70 to 80). Had a great time, and returned with a modest $550 for about 8 short sessions. All you have to do is wong out from table to table until you get a good session, or as I did, spill a White Russian all over the table and they will help you wong out--no extra charge.:eek:

Drove my friend over to Harrah's to pick up some free slot play--first time there for me. I checked out the VP machines--all I saw were 7/5. At least Borgata has a slew of 9/6 machines.

Don't hold you breath for double deck any time soon. Casinos are not especially logical in their marketing strategies. They have it down to a science how to keep advantage play to a minimum and they seem to be fat, dumb and happy, not wanting to change anything in a formula that seems to work pretty well (full tables, poor pen, 8-deck, H17, and 6/5 SD are easy to find). Sometimes I think they'd rather lose $10,000,000 from lack of play, than lose $10,000 to advantage play. Maybe after PA, DE, and WV pick off half their customer base, they will take notice, but I wouldn't count on any changes until then. The states might just shoot themselves in their own feet with unplayable DD games, pen-wise or rule-wise, forcing us all to travel to more friendly venues around the country. But for now, I still find a few opportunities even in AC.
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Aslan, you and I won't have to worry soon about going to AC when they finally open up the BJ games at Charlestown. Granted it won't be as nice to play at but hopefully the games will be better.
 
aslan

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Automatic Monkey said:
All AC stores have some full-pay VP. Not always easy to find, though.

Of all the sins you describe, the worst one in my opinion is full tables. Regarding rules and all that, to the customers they consider profitable it makes not the slightest hint of a difference. Table games in the Eastern US are now the province of Asian immigrants who base their gaming decisions on their traditional ideas of fate and luck and could not care less if a game is H17 or S17.
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I've read that, too. I'm guessing, like the Taj, that the only full-pay VP machines are $5 and up.

Yes, full tables is a smart anti-AP weapon.

I think one of the funniest rules is the rule that you must triple your bet to play three hands. AP at +4 count to dealer, "You mean I have to triple my bet just because I want to bet three hands?! Okay, if that's what I have to do!" :( :laugh:
 
aslan

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Thunder said:
Aslan, you and I won't have to worry soon about going to AC when they finally open up the BJ games at Charlestown. Granted it won't be as nice to play at but hopefully the games will be better.
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I'm betting they'll shoot themselves in the foot with dumb rules or poor pen. But hope springs eternal.
 
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aslan said:
I've read that, too. I'm guessing, like the Taj, that the only full-pay VP machines are $5 and up.

Yes, full tables is a smart anti-AP weapon.

I think one of the funniest rules is the rule that you must triple your bet to play three hands. AP at +4 count to dealer, "You mean I have to triple my bet just because I want to bet three hands?! Okay, if that's what I have to do!" :( :laugh:
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You can find $1 full pay JOB at the TAJ.
 
aslan

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Thunder said:
You can find $1 full pay JOB at the TAJ.
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I thought it was $5. I checked every machine in the casino and only found 9/6 in the high roller slot area. Maybe it was a dollar machine, which I don't play anyway, but you'd think it would be higher in the high roller area. I still think it was $5. Tell me where you found it and I'll go back and check if it's still there.
 
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I'm sure it was on a $1 machine as I don't play $5 machines. I believe the machine said JOB. I know for sure there's one inside of Sultan's palace and there is one across from it too I believe.
 
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