I am a casino dealer

#61
nc-tom said:
Two things i like to see in a dealer. one deal with a consistant rythem from start to finish. two unless instructed otherwise dont call out " check change" everytime a player moves up in color.
i think you mean "color coming in".. check change is moving down in color
 

Stoney

Active Member
#62
If a player is looking to you for help make sure you know basic strategy and say, the book says to do this. Otherwise do not comment on how people play. Most of all cut the shoe as close to the back as you can get away with
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#63
SilentBob420BMFJ said:
sage, u shudnt be gambling, i have read many of your posts and you just dont get it.. you seem to believe in random nonsense theories rather than math
no math is ok in my book although i admitt to often not fully understanding it. i'm not sure which random nonsense theories your referring too. perhaps Parrondo's Paradox, my prediliction to take stop loss measures, my referances to quantuim theory in the voodoo section or what.
frankly i believe my greatest fault with respect to AP is my prediliction to fall for the gambler's fallacy.
 

Kaiser

Well-Known Member
#64
SilentBob420BMFJ said:
i dont believe that. from what you have said, EVERY SINGLE PAIR pays out 5:1 or better. also, there is no difference between same suit/rank and same exact card, so that makes no sense. theres no way the casino offers that. can you be more specific? and give me an example of a pair that doesnt pay out anything
Uh, yeah, what part of it don't you understand?

Every pair DOES pay out. That's the idea.

PERFECT PAIRS

Perfect Pairs™ is an optional side bet offered on certain Blackjack tables. The concept of the bet is simple. A Perfect Pairs™ bet wins if the first two cards dealt to a Blackjack hand are a pair and loses if they are not a pair. A Perfect Pairs™ bet is made prior to the initial deal. There are three different types of pairs and the payout odds vary accordingly.


From here (Archive copy) at the bottom of the page.

He did make one mistake though, 10-1 is not for same suit and rank it's for two cards of the same number or picture type and colour but of different suits. eg. Queen of Hearts and Queen of Diamonds.
 
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Sonny

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#65
SilentBob420BMFJ said:
sage, u shudnt be gambling, i have read many of your posts and you just dont get it.. you seem to believe in random nonsense theories rather than math
In sagefrog's defense, that post was from over a year ago. He's learned quite a lot since then. Perhaps you should catch up with some of the more recent posts.

-Sonny-
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#66
Sonny said:
In sagefrog's defense, that post was from over a year ago. He's learned quite a lot since then. Perhaps you should catch up with some of the more recent posts.

-Sonny-
thank you Sonny. it's true i've learned much. thanks to a lot of posters here on this site. i think silent may be thrown off a bit by my posts because of the fact that it's my nature to investigate all sorts of approachs even if they are patently silly on the surface. sometimes it can help your play to understand what doesn't work as well as what does work. maybe someday i'll stumble upon something new that has some advantage. thats part of what an AP is supposed to be about.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#67
SilentBob420BMFJ said:
sage, u shudnt be gambling, i have read many of your posts and you just dont get it.. you seem to believe in random nonsense theories rather than math
All he seemed to be doing was wondering what the dealer might be thinking.

He also mentioned studying the dealer for mannerisms.

He knows BS so that allows him to gamble in my view. Not to mention I think he actually can count employing that as he sees fit.

Do u think u r playing as an AP? Perhaps u can enlighten us all just how u play what game(s) with what bankroll and spread, ROR, expected win rate, etc.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#68
I think good pen says it all.

I would like to add on a personal note, I hate dealers who act like they have control over the cards and slam them down as if they know they will bust you every time. They do this with a superior attitude when in fact they are clueless idiots with a job that usually does by its very nature win in the end, but it's not their victory--it's the house's victory. I love it when these guys deal ploppies winner after winner though. It makes them look foolish, plus they seldom get any tips.
 

Kaiser

Well-Known Member
#69
Hey, cool username, aslan. I'm working my way through The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe with my young daughters a couple of chapters a night at bedtime right now, and we got to Aslan last night.

Rock on, you magnificent lion.

:laugh:
 
#70
What do I like to see in a dealer?

Other than factors such as penetration, dealing speed, etc., I especially like to see dealers who flash the hole card and those who make mistakes in favor of the player such as in payouts and hand totals. :devil:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#71
Kaiser said:
Hey, cool username, aslan. I'm working my way through The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe with my young daughters a couple of chapters a night at bedtime right now, and we got to Aslan last night.

Rock on, you magnificent lion.

:laugh:
Yup! That's where it came from. I have a dog by that name, too. Enjoy C.S. Lewis.
 

GeorgeD

Well-Known Member
#72
Kaiser said:
Uh, yeah, what part of it don't you understand?

Every pair DOES pay out. That's the idea.

PERFECT PAIRS

Perfect Pairs™ is an optional side bet offered on certain Blackjack tables. The concept of the bet is simple. A Perfect Pairs™ bet wins if the first two cards dealt to a Blackjack hand are a pair and loses if they are not a pair. A Perfect Pairs™ bet is made prior to the initial deal. There are three different types of pairs and the payout odds vary accordingly.


From here (Archive copy) at the bottom of the page.

He did make one mistake though, 10-1 is not for same suit and rank it's for two cards of the same number or picture type and colour but of different suits. eg. Queen of Hearts and Queen of Diamonds.
Yep. Don't know about US, but see that game in Canada. IIRC there, any pair pays 6-1, same color pair pays 12-1 and pair of same suit pays 25-1. Don't know the adds, but see a lot of people playing though it seems like a suckers game to me.
 
#73
Stoney said:
the book says to do this.
a lot of times ploppys will respond with "who do you think wrote that book? somebody wanting to make money!".. some ploppys seem to think there is like one book and that we are actually refering to an actual book like its a bible.. "the book" doesnt actually mean a book, so to avoid confusion, i would probably say "the mathematically correct move is this".. one random note also, is that its amazing how many SUPER ploppys are at a $3 table compared to a $10 table, especially when your in a crap town like gary indiana..
 
#74
Kaiser said:
Uh, yeah, what part of it don't you understand?

Every pair DOES pay out. That's the idea.

PERFECT PAIRS

Perfect Pairs™ is an optional side bet offered on certain Blackjack tables. The concept of the bet is simple. A Perfect Pairs™ bet wins if the first two cards dealt to a Blackjack hand are a pair and loses if they are not a pair. A Perfect Pairs™ bet is made prior to the initial deal. There are three different types of pairs and the payout odds vary accordingly.


From here (Archive copy) at the bottom of the page.

He did make one mistake though, 10-1 is not for same suit and rank it's for two cards of the same number or picture type and colour but of different suits. eg. Queen of Hearts and Queen of Diamonds.
ohhhhhh.. you never said its a side bet!! u know what i was thinking? i was thinking its a bonus like 777 pays 2:1 or something.. that would mean the game would have a player advantage of like 5%.. now i see, its a sucker bet (probably)
 
#75
Sonny said:
In sagefrog's defense, that post was from over a year ago. He's learned quite a lot since then. Perhaps you should catch up with some of the more recent posts.

-Sonny-
i have revived many posts on here.. i dont care when the post is from, because it will get revived and i will get an answer regardless.. i know i seem like an ass sometimes, but sometimes ppl say things that need to be shot down aggressively so they know its not even an option and to get out of ploppy land..
 
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#76
sagefr0g said:
thank you Sonny. it's true i've learned much. thanks to a lot of posters here on this site. i think silent may be thrown off a bit by my posts because of the fact that it's my nature to investigate all sorts of approachs even if they are patently silly on the surface. sometimes it can help your play to understand what doesn't work as well as what does work. maybe someday i'll stumble upon something new that has some advantage. thats part of what an AP is supposed to be about.
ya but there are some things that are OBVIOUS (at least to me), and that if those crazy ideas are going thru your head, it tells me that you have a long long way to go just to get to basic strategy, and that if somebody doesnt slap you and say WAKE UP, that you will always have ploppy thoughts going thru your head.. i dont understand how somebody can be on a blackjack forum, understand what BS is, and still have ploppy thoughts.. i saw a guy once say "i have been guessing which card has been coming out with like 30% accuracy, so i think i may be psychic, and i have won money that way" and he was serious! things like that piss me off
 
#77
Kasi said:
All he seemed to be doing was wondering what the dealer might be thinking.

He also mentioned studying the dealer for mannerisms.

He knows BS so that allows him to gamble in my view. Not to mention I think he actually can count employing that as he sees fit.

Do u think u r playing as an AP? Perhaps u can enlighten us all just how u play what game(s) with what bankroll and spread, ROR, expected win rate, etc.
i have gone thru all of what you listed, but the thing is, it requires too many variables that i cant answer right now, and i used to just flat bet the table min and play BS, and with $3 tables i was losing less than $1 an hour which was sweet, but now its $10 tables and $3-4/hr is too much for me to lose (due to variance) so now im gonna start counting.. i know i can seem like a know it all, but i just see some of the dumbest things said on here thats it makes me mad (dunno why).. the very first step in playing blackjack is to get all the crazy ploppy ideas out of your head like predicting streaks, betting systems (w/ out counting), and other crazy things like that.. so if you have learned basic strategy and are still having those ideas in your head, something is wrong.. i apologize for how i seem condescending, but stupidity pisses me off especially when we are supposed to be talking about non ploppy subjects
 
#78
double4more said:
What do I like to see in a dealer?

Other than factors such as penetration, dealing speed, etc., I especially like to see dealers who flash the hole card and those who make mistakes in favor of the player such as in payouts and hand totals. :devil:
i like when hot dealers flash their hole and let me hit their split with good penetration, or when 2 hot dealers double down on me; if they arent that good looking tho, they can always just give me a jack with their soft hands
 
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#79
GeorgeD said:
Yep. Don't know about US, but see that game in Canada. IIRC there, any pair pays 6-1, same color pair pays 12-1 and pair of same suit pays 25-1. Don't know the adds, but see a lot of people playing though it seems like a suckers game to me.
what does IIRC stand for?
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#80
SilentBob420BMFJ said:
ya but there are some things that are OBVIOUS (at least to me), and that if those crazy ideas are going thru your head, it tells me that you have a long long way to go just to get to basic strategy, and that if somebody doesnt slap you and say WAKE UP, that you will always have ploppy thoughts going thru your head.. i dont understand how somebody can be on a blackjack forum, understand what BS is, and still have ploppy thoughts.. i saw a guy once say "i have been guessing which card has been coming out with like 30% accuracy, so i think i may be psychic, and i have won money that way" and he was serious! things like that piss me off
i'm ok on basic strategy, indices according to the count, counting, optimal betting and risk of ruin.
i'm not convinced that the above is the end all be all for gleaning advantage from card counting. reason being the degree of fluctuation that counters experience. so i suspect there is more that we don't understand with respect to counting cards and i''m trying to understand what that might be. creativity may be needed to find the answers and that takes thinking out side of the box sometimes. thats pretty much whats behind most of my unorthodox postings.
so you need not be so worried about my 'gambling' as i really do 'get it' for the most part.
i do try for the most part to qualify my posts so that others who read them are not lead astray by my meandering thoughts and down right errors.
note my sign off below.
 
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