Took a sh*t! 5k loss lol.... Caesars Windsor!
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Buy Andersen's book and then find the section where he talk's about a "note on an attorney's letterhead" reguarding carrying large sums of cash. The lawyer may charge you something. My father-in-law is my attorney so my letter was free. I put my bankroll in a ziplock and then wrap the letter around it. That way, they have to read it or at least notice it. Plus,
YOU DON'T LEGALLY HAVE TO GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO OPEN A CLEAR ZIPLOCK BAG WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. The purpose is of the bag is to keep honest people honest.
If they read my letter from my attorney and then detained me, I'd be happy as a pig in crap because we'd promptly start a lawsuit.
Also, Andersen mentions "TCs"--as in traveler's checks. If you have a AAA membership, you can purchase them for free (which is the way it should be since they're getting interest on your money.) You can even call around all the different numbers on the back of your card to find the shop that has 500 or $1,000 TC's.
That way, you wouldn't have had to give $4K to your friend, "just in case." Also, they give you little stubs to keep in a safe place. So if you got arrested, robbed, set on fire or dead, at least someone in your family could have your money.
--Halves
YOU DON'T LEGALLY HAVE TO GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO OPEN A CLEAR ZIPLOCK BAG WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. The purpose is of the bag is to keep honest people honest.
If they read my letter from my attorney and then detained me, I'd be happy as a pig in crap because we'd promptly start a lawsuit.
Also, Andersen mentions "TCs"--as in traveler's checks. If you have a AAA membership, you can purchase them for free (which is the way it should be since they're getting interest on your money.) You can even call around all the different numbers on the back of your card to find the shop that has 500 or $1,000 TC's.
That way, you wouldn't have had to give $4K to your friend, "just in case." Also, they give you little stubs to keep in a safe place. So if you got arrested, robbed, set on fire or dead, at least someone in your family could have your money.
--Halves
Pwn said:
Well as some of you know, I planned a trip with a friend to Caesars Windsor in Ontario Canada ( 4 hour trip from Chicago, not that bad )....
I can flip through a single full deck of cards in a legit 23 seconds, which is not good but acceptable from what I have read - Story below
So I figured before I go to Vegas for my 21 birthday I go get a little seat time. Never again will I go back to the sh*t hole in my entire life. I will explain a short version of what happen....
Basically I was doing great and I am really pround of myself - At one point I was up 2,300 and was playing with a total of 7,300 give or take --- The emotion was unexplainable and I loved every phucking second of it! Anyway with a TC of + 6 I start betting like a pimp and got smacked like a hoe lol --- I lost 5k of the 7,300 and just walked out after that... This is what happen remember the TC is +6 not RC but TC! lol.... I start betting PURPLE CHIPS
- Some how with the TC of +6 I lost every god damn hand ( once the purples came out ) - Now here is the phucked up part, the times I had a 20 she MAGICALLY dealt herself a 21.... THIS HAPPENED 3 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most of the time I got dealt a stiff, stood, and she had 20..... I am not mad, nor angry, as I have read about situations similar to these and understand negative flux ---- BUT COME ON THAT IS GOD DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO LOSE 5K IN AN ALMOST COMPLETE NEGATIVE LOSING STREAK AT A TC OF +3-6 - I strongly believe these people are cheats and will never go there again... Oh and what actually got me to stand up and say phuck it was the last hand I played in that dump.... I bet 1k lol..... Got dealt a 20 and the **** had a 4 showing, flipped a 10, and dealt a 7 LOL 21!! I was like wowwwww, later
Like I said previously this is just negative flux at it's best, but then again I truly feel cheated - You honestly had to be there to understand lol.... I brought 10k US, only exchanged 5k US, and walked out with 2,300 Canadian lol ---- Mind you I did not put all the exchanged money on the table, so I really did not lose 5k but still.... Atleast I did not exchange the entire 10k --
I am not hurting nor am I holding any grudges, I just want to know if there is a way I can see if they truly are CHEATS???
I would also like to mention that I have 7,665 points on my total rewards card and have a tier of 2,300 -- lol If I go there again I should be able to comp up to platinum level!!! So I guess that is a +? :grin:
I am not hurting for the 4k or w/e I lost I just would like to find out how someone would legitly be able to find out if a certain Casino is cheating. Any information would be greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Pwn
I can flip through a single full deck of cards in a legit 23 seconds, which is not good but acceptable from what I have read - Story below
So I figured before I go to Vegas for my 21 birthday I go get a little seat time. Never again will I go back to the sh*t hole in my entire life. I will explain a short version of what happen....
Basically I was doing great and I am really pround of myself - At one point I was up 2,300 and was playing with a total of 7,300 give or take --- The emotion was unexplainable and I loved every phucking second of it! Anyway with a TC of + 6 I start betting like a pimp and got smacked like a hoe lol --- I lost 5k of the 7,300 and just walked out after that... This is what happen remember the TC is +6 not RC but TC! lol.... I start betting PURPLE CHIPS
- Some how with the TC of +6 I lost every god damn hand ( once the purples came out ) - Now here is the phucked up part, the times I had a 20 she MAGICALLY dealt herself a 21.... THIS HAPPENED 3 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most of the time I got dealt a stiff, stood, and she had 20..... I am not mad, nor angry, as I have read about situations similar to these and understand negative flux ---- BUT COME ON THAT IS GOD DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO LOSE 5K IN AN ALMOST COMPLETE NEGATIVE LOSING STREAK AT A TC OF +3-6 - I strongly believe these people are cheats and will never go there again... Oh and what actually got me to stand up and say phuck it was the last hand I played in that dump.... I bet 1k lol..... Got dealt a 20 and the **** had a 4 showing, flipped a 10, and dealt a 7 LOL 21!! I was like wowwwww, later Like I said previously this is just negative flux at it's best, but then again I truly feel cheated - You honestly had to be there to understand lol.... I brought 10k US, only exchanged 5k US, and walked out with 2,300 Canadian lol ---- Mind you I did not put all the exchanged money on the table, so I really did not lose 5k but still.... Atleast I did not exchange the entire 10k
--I am not hurting nor am I holding any grudges, I just want to know if there is a way I can see if they truly are CHEATS???
I would also like to mention that I have 7,665 points on my total rewards card and have a tier of 2,300 -- lol If I go there again I should be able to comp up to platinum level!!! So I guess that is a +? :grin:
I am not hurting for the 4k or w/e I lost I just would like to find out how someone would legitly be able to find out if a certain Casino is cheating. Any information would be greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Pwn
Learn to walk before signing up for the marathon
Your 21 or so and have studied some blackjack but your live casino experience is nill or close to it. You walk into the casino with 10 grand, which you state you have "written off already" or something to that effect.
I am often betting purple or more on similar counts but I play to a bank of over 100 grand and none of it is considered written off, though if you mean you do not need it for any other purpose we may be in agreement and this part is just semantics.
The thing is every book may tell you about the variance of blackjack, the long term and the possible horrors of short term flucuation but the words written in the book are uncomprehensible till you actually experience a bit of negative flux. A bit of negative flux is really all that happened to you but the shock is that it happened to you so quickly in your blackjack life.
You can lose 10 or more big bets in a row and though it does not happen that often, no long time AP would be surprised because it has happened to them also.
I lost over $12,000 on a shoe once and got it all back, plus a little profit, two shoes later with the same dealer. It did not enter my mind that I was being cheated when I dropped the money, only I silently cursed the cards I was getting. I colored up after winning everything back, (it was time to leave that place with a couple of big spread shoes coming almost back to back) and the only comment I could make to the dealer was that she really put me on a roller coaster ride, and that is exactly what blackjack is. Look at some of the charts: If your game is netting you $100 per hour, it is not unusual to have an hour where you lose $1,800 and follow it by winning $2,000 the next hour to hit your average. Problem is it could be a bad month followed by a good one, you just can never tell. That is if you are playing well?????????
How do you know you were playing well? How do you know that you never got distracted and kept the count properly? The vast majority of people who begin counting should begin on the lowest available table limits and should probably flat bet their first several casino visits to get comfortable. It would not hurt to have a friend, who can count, watch you and verify your ability to keep the count in a casino.
Are you using many indices? The higher the count the more value you can put on these.
You and that dealer have an equal chance of getting that blackjack but only you get a bonus payout for it. The fact that the dealer got a couple and you got none is not abnormal.
If you are using a count system like hi-lo, where 7,8,and 9 is not counted then at a high count you are very sure there are extra aces and faces and a short amount of 2-6, but there could easily be a normal amount of 7-9 and the dealer hitting a 14 then drawing a 7 is unfortunate but not surprising.
Start small and build a bankroll and increase your bets based upon your newer, bigger bankrolls.
ihate17
Your 21 or so and have studied some blackjack but your live casino experience is nill or close to it. You walk into the casino with 10 grand, which you state you have "written off already" or something to that effect.
I am often betting purple or more on similar counts but I play to a bank of over 100 grand and none of it is considered written off, though if you mean you do not need it for any other purpose we may be in agreement and this part is just semantics.
The thing is every book may tell you about the variance of blackjack, the long term and the possible horrors of short term flucuation but the words written in the book are uncomprehensible till you actually experience a bit of negative flux. A bit of negative flux is really all that happened to you but the shock is that it happened to you so quickly in your blackjack life.
You can lose 10 or more big bets in a row and though it does not happen that often, no long time AP would be surprised because it has happened to them also.
I lost over $12,000 on a shoe once and got it all back, plus a little profit, two shoes later with the same dealer. It did not enter my mind that I was being cheated when I dropped the money, only I silently cursed the cards I was getting. I colored up after winning everything back, (it was time to leave that place with a couple of big spread shoes coming almost back to back) and the only comment I could make to the dealer was that she really put me on a roller coaster ride, and that is exactly what blackjack is. Look at some of the charts: If your game is netting you $100 per hour, it is not unusual to have an hour where you lose $1,800 and follow it by winning $2,000 the next hour to hit your average. Problem is it could be a bad month followed by a good one, you just can never tell. That is if you are playing well?????????
How do you know you were playing well? How do you know that you never got distracted and kept the count properly? The vast majority of people who begin counting should begin on the lowest available table limits and should probably flat bet their first several casino visits to get comfortable. It would not hurt to have a friend, who can count, watch you and verify your ability to keep the count in a casino.
Are you using many indices? The higher the count the more value you can put on these.
You and that dealer have an equal chance of getting that blackjack but only you get a bonus payout for it. The fact that the dealer got a couple and you got none is not abnormal.
If you are using a count system like hi-lo, where 7,8,and 9 is not counted then at a high count you are very sure there are extra aces and faces and a short amount of 2-6, but there could easily be a normal amount of 7-9 and the dealer hitting a 14 then drawing a 7 is unfortunate but not surprising.
Start small and build a bankroll and increase your bets based upon your newer, bigger bankrolls.
ihate17
very believeable
Welcome to being an AP. That kind of stuff will happen very often you think that there is no small cards left and the deal pulls a 5 card 21, it makes me cringe, stand up, swear, hit the table, and all of the other good thing you do when you watch a couple grand magicaly float away. Good news though it gets easier as time goes on, dont get discouraged keep plugging away.
Welcome to being an AP. That kind of stuff will happen very often you think that there is no small cards left and the deal pulls a 5 card 21, it makes me cringe, stand up, swear, hit the table, and all of the other good thing you do when you watch a couple grand magicaly float away. Good news though it gets easier as time goes on, dont get discouraged keep plugging away.
Max bet was 1k ( last hand ) ---- My spread on anything lower then TC +2 was 25-150 ---- I mean I just mixed it up you know, no special way just nothing over 150 and everytime I made a big bet I clapped my hands and told the dealer I was " feeling it " lol! It was actually nice camo - I seen the suite roll their eyes and smile lol.... One thing I found out female dealers to not like is saying " atta girl ", " come on baby hit me good " lol --- She told me it was degrading and asked me to refrain from using that type of lang
Asking about pen
In 30+ years of counting, I believe that the only people who give a rats about pen are cardcounters and they may be the only ones with reason.
For the average player, especially in a hand shuffled game, the worse the pen the better off he is since he can not lose any money while the dealer is shuffling.
If you can not determine the penetration without asking someone, you are not yet ready to sit down at the table. It would also mean to me that you RC to TC conversion may be off
ihate17
In 30+ years of counting, I believe that the only people who give a rats about pen are cardcounters and they may be the only ones with reason.
For the average player, especially in a hand shuffled game, the worse the pen the better off he is since he can not lose any money while the dealer is shuffling.
If you can not determine the penetration without asking someone, you are not yet ready to sit down at the table. It would also mean to me that you RC to TC conversion may be off
ihate17
AHHHHHH HA!!!! You know what! That might be it! My converstion!!! Did not even think of that --- You know what though, now that I think of it - When I thought there was 3 1/2 decks I would say 4 decks so that might not be the problem ---- You should see how many decks I have lol, 8 - 7 1/2 - 7 etc etc etc etc etc etc etc all the way down to a 1/2
Pwn said:
Max bet was 1k ( last hand ) ---- My spread on anything lower then TC +2 was 25-150 ---- I mean I just mixed it up you know, no special way just nothing over 150 and everytime I made a big bet I clapped my hands and told the dealer I was " feeling it " lol! It was actually nice camo - I seen the suite roll their eyes and smile lol.... One thing I found out female dealers to not like is saying " atta girl ", " come on baby hit me good " lol --- She told me it was degrading and asked me to refrain from using that type of lang
Those hands honestly where not the problem - I actually won more of them then when the count was high lol! The 150's were rare and only when I was " feeling it " - Regardless it was GAMBLING not counting, still no excuse but give me a break it was my first time :grin:
Plus you have to realize that my job does not help - I am very aware of neg flux and to me betting 100 or w/e is not even fun..... The purples are what got me going, everything else was just boring
Pwn
- Regardless it was GAMBLING not counting, still no excuse but give me a break it was my first time :grin:Plus you have to realize that my job does not help - I am very aware of neg flux and to me betting 100 or w/e is not even fun..... The purples are what got me going, everything else was just boring
Pwn
What would you recommend me doing before I go to Vegas to get some more seat time?
Should I go back with a small bankroll sit at the 15 dollar table and use a 1-8 spread? Then they will for sure know I am counting, no? It is just after reading the book I feel when using a 1-8 spread that I will get barr'd very quickly - Snyder says they look for these types of people
Should I go back with a small bankroll sit at the 15 dollar table and use a 1-8 spread? Then they will for sure know I am counting, no? It is just after reading the book I feel when using a 1-8 spread that I will get barr'd very quickly - Snyder says they look for these types of people
Yea for sure I just went back and re-read. I personally will not be able to use a 1-8 spread. I am not fat, bald, nor old - I am the card counters poster boy ---- I have to use exaggerated betting spreads. Granted I understand I should not be betting the table min 25 then turn around with a 1k bet but they def need to be exaggerated..... Snyder very bluntly informs you that anyone using these betting spread 1-8/ 1-6 etc will get " ejecto seato " .... I will def humble them up to a certain extent but I believe I am going to need to use a 1-6 betting spread at neg neutral counts...
Kind of common sense
Kind of common sense