ihate17 said:
We all have different perspectives when it comes to money. I am an old fart. At 21 I was a brand new 2nd Lt. in the army and $150 was more than half a month's pay, big big money.
Many of us will get some kind of charge when big bets hit the felt but my questios are:
Do they cloud you from making the proper decisions?
Can you show the emotion of a gambler but still be a cold calculating AP at the same time?
Do you find it so boring that long periods of minimum or near minimum bets are hard for you to do which might lend itself to your steaming at times?
ihate17
No I would not say it like that. It just feel no emotion, basically when betting small it does not affect me.....
creeping panther said:
PWN, this is exactly what I would of expected based on your prior posting.
You do not have a clue.
Remember what I told you about credibility?
There is another AP in training, from around your area, that is taking an opportunity to do things right... to learn from experienced AP's, to be humble and respectfull.. and he will be rewarded for that by being permitted to associate and spend time around these seasoned AP's. That also could have been you had you not come across as you did from the very beginning.
I hate to see someone lose as you did...because you really blew it, YOU DID,
blame no one else.
BTW, who advised you about going to Canada???
CP
To each his own pimpin - I wish him good luck. No one advised me to go to Canada, I went there because I am not yet 21....
EasyRhino said:
Let's enumerate:
You effective spread at the shoe game was maybe in the 4x or 6x area. This is insufficient to beat the game. So you were still playing a losing game.
A max bet of $500 would only be appropriate if $10k was your session bankroll. It would imply a full bankroll in the $50k region. A bet of $1000 would acceptable under no circumstances.
You seem to have been unprepared for losing your entire session bankroll. (that's what session bankrolls are for... to get lost)
You're crying about losing about six large bets.
You only got excited once you started overbetting.
You were, apparently, a jerk. To both casino personnel and border control.
I recommend quitting.
Failing that, I recommend losing everything so you can't play anymore. They say that the worse thing that can happen to a gambler is winning early. Hopefully Windsor did you a favor.
I am not going to quit - It is not a big deal, this is not my career, just a hobby my friend....
rollem411 said:
Man that was harsh rhino, haha.
However, he does have a point.
I actually read all 7 pages of this thread and was amazed. Just one question.
DID YOU WAKE UP THAT MORNING AND REALLY THINK YOU WERE READY TO
START YOUR CAREER AS AN AP??
From the looks of it, you read about the good that comes with cc and completely disregarded the bad. Although, you did say you know there is neg flux. But still, all other factors included, you were not even close to ready.
You jumped the gun. Practice at home with a real bet spread and have a gameplan for when you enter the casino and do nothing else but follow it.
But like the cat has said.. first you have to learn more than just count a deck in 20 sec. I don't think I have timed myself in over 6 months. IT's not that big of a deal, and you can tell a beginner when they measure their skill based upon how fast they can count a deck.
BTW I just got 18 sec...:laugh:
I agree with what you have said and to answer your question...... NO lol, I did not wake up thinking I was going to be a career AP because that is not my goal - I just would like to do this as a hobby, even though I lost I do not regret going
zengrifter said:
How ridiculous that you DID NOT even clear your betting strategy here before you went to play. As Dr. House would say: "YOU IDIOT!" zg
hehe... Yea I should of been prepared
callipygian said:
Having to bet more and more to maintain your level of excitement is one of the ten signs of gambling addiction.
You should look into that before you gamble any more.
Games in Vegas are pretty different from games elsewhere. You're going to have the option of finding decent double deck games, and Wonging is a lot more effective on shoe games.
Look, what you need to do is stop dreaming about making it big for a bit. Focus on the basics - go to a lower limit table, adjust your game until you're winning, and you know what? If you get barred, you get barred. If they didn't bar you for spreading $25 to $1000 they're not going to bar you for spreading $10 to $80.
Phuck it that is what I am going to do ( I know I am going to get barred though for sure, especially since I ask suite boy what the PEN was lol )
ihate17 said:
The authors of good blackjack books do let you know that your edge is very small, it is easy to lose and that you will lose more hands than you win, but the readers of books often only ingest the parts they want too.
The producers of movies like 21 simply make it look so easy as have the tv folks who did specials on the history channel. They never show the dealer getting the blackjack during the big bet period or you getting the 15 vs the dealer 10 and the dealer actually has a pat hand.
For some players they can never overcome periods of negative flux and just quit. For others they learn about it on $5 tables, learn how to get over it and grow and then they up their betting levels.
Some people just jump in with partial information, bet high and even if they played perfectly go broke because they never fully understood or read the chapter on ROR. The naive somehow have a belief that if they truly have an edge they will not go broke overbetting their bankrolls. These people just go broke and disappear or like some moron in Orange County, CA, write mini books saying cardcounting does not work.
I have said this several times before but Pwn merits my restating:
COUNTING IS THE EASIEST PART OF BEING A WINNING COUNTER, IT IS THE OTHER STUFF THAT MAKES MOST WHO TRY COUNTING, LOSERS!
He fails on all points and may have discovered at 21 that he has a serious gambling problem and should stay away from casinos and get some help.
ihate17
No I understand where you are coming from, but to be honest like I said previously I was mixing gambling with counting ---- If I followed the rules of my book and prepared my betting strag, I would have actually been able to do thing properly instead of GAMBLE :grin:
To my defense, I do not believe I have a gambling problem - I was just ignorant to the whole situation. Things will be different, watch.
Kasi said:
One way would be to do the opposite - figure out just how likely what you experienced actually is.
Another way is just never bet $500 or more again since that's the only time you say they actually do cheat. You should be OK that way - obviously they weren't cheating on your way up to $2300 ahead lol. How impossible were those results when not even betting $500? How long did that take to happen?
But you're right - stuff like this should never happen to a guy who can count a deck in 23 seconds.
At least you realize you are just a gambler who can count and bet smaller in smaller counts and bigger in bigger counts no doubt in a very inconsistent way. Maybe bigger when it's "their" money anyway - why not go for it if you're ahead?. If you had been down $2300 at that point I doubt if you would have bet that? More because you were behind maybe?
Anyway - nothing wrong with that if you admit it. Which you did. If you want to play "advantage play", you have a ways to go maybe. All that "know what to expect" before you play stuff. Just an opinion, doesn't make it right.
In fact, maybe not much separates you and I - I count, maybe do a few inde x plays, maybe bet a little bigger in the + counts when I feel the voodoo need. Probably just not as often and not as extremely lol. I don't even pretend to myself I am doing some "AP" thing or wanted to or think I screwed up. No doubt about it, I'm just gambling and having fun.
You act like you just made a little mistake in judgement for 10 or 12 hands - or so. Maybe steamed a little on one bet while still considering yourself an "advantage player"? You're problems may go alot deeper than that if you want to "AP" it.
Anyway good luck to you.
lol True.... In a nutt shell, that was my exact mind set -- Gamble and have fun, and like I said previously if they just slowly took my money, I would have for sure spent it all ---- I am the type of person that needs to find things out for myself. That being said, lesson well learned..... I for sure have read in my book how things like this happen blah blah, but honestly could not grasp the real life affects of it..... To tell you the truth I most likely would have never understood the way I understand now just by reading - So it was not a total loss
Plus we went to Cheetahs after. That strip club was DA SH*T!! :grin:
GeorgeD said:
Never and I mean NEVER screw with customs. When you are at that border (in or out of the US) you have virtually no civil rights. They can search your car and your person. They can even look up you a$$hole just for laughs. No reason, no need for probable cause. They can do pretty much anything short of torture ....... well, maybe on the US side if you might be a terrorist, but that's a different post.
NEVER give them answers that might seem smart ass .. they've heard all the cracks Citizen of: the world officer; Where were you born: Hospital; Where'd you get the cash: the bank .. answers like that will pretty much always get you detained. You can bet they did at least a cursory search of your car and would have taken it apart of they found anything odd.
Not sure if there's an exact amount, but if you have more cash than a tourist would for your trip length (like a couple of grand for a day/weekend), declare it at the gate. "I have $4000 US for gambling, sir" can save you a couple of hours and them from checking wants/warrants to see if you're a known felon. Even if not they can confiscate your cash saying it's ill gotten or brought for illegal purposes like laundering or to buy drugs and you'll have ahuge expense and hassle getting it back.
In short you got out easy. If they were ina bad mood you could have sayt there for five hours with an additional hour added every time you bitched. Treat customs guys nicer than you'd treat a cop who caught you speeding.
Even MORE important declare any big winnings you bring back into the US .... or stash it in a Canadian bank account for the next trip
Good idea!!! Great information... Yea I actually did not drink nor smoke ( Cannabis ) while I was up there - I tried to get some at the strip club, but I just said phuck it.... They would have most likely took me to some creepy underground tunnel lol
actuary said:
Hey, I don't think it was mentioned before, but I highly recommend you do not play at Caesars Windsor if your money is coming from the US. At least, don't exchange your money at the casino. Today they were selling USD at 1.25 and buying back at 1.20, a 5 point spread lost to the exchange. Think about it, breaking even at the tables means you lose USD$400, or 4% of your bankroll to the exchange.
You need to factor the exchange rate into your EV calculations. When you do this, chances are you cannot earn a decent enough hourly win rate at Caesars Windsor, unless you can get a better exchange rate.
Wow you got lucky lol - My exchange rate was 1.17. I could just open a bank account in Canada like GerogeD recommened....
newb99 said:
OMG ! ! ! . . . . I've just read through the whole of this thread.
Someone of 20 reads a book on BJ, learns to flip the cards and then heads off to a casino for the first time with ten grand?
. . . . I've just sat here for 15 minutes thinking about something profund, but not conceited, to write on the matter. I can't, I'm actually quite speechless.
Pwn - best of luck in the future. Please learn from this.
No, I understand --- I will do things right the next time.... As hard as it may be to believe, I have a lot more discipline then you think
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Now I have a question for you guys!
... What games do you preffer? 1-2 deck, or shoe? What would you recommend me playing when I go to Vegas, because Windsor did not even offer and single/double deck games... I remember Snyder saying that shoe games had better rules
Pwn
