Took a sh*t! 5k loss lol.... Caesars Windsor!

#81
ihate17 said:
A year or two before gambling was legalized in Detroit I was in Detroit for a convention. A couple of guys from Florida who had driven up asked me if I wanted to go with them to the casino in Windsor and I decided to go. While waiting in line for customs on the bridge the driver mentions that he has a gun in his glove box. I tell him I have no wish to spend a few nights or longer in a Canadian jail and he should declare it and I bet the Canadians give him a receipt and return it to him when he returns to the U.S., which is exactly what took place with minimal problems. Who knows what would have happened had he not declared it and the car was searched.

The casino itself was overcrowded. No room at any blackjack tables and based upon the crowd and the game I never tried to play. Seemed like there also was not an empty machine in the joint and nothing is more booring than spending several hours watching a friend hitting a spin button on a slot.

Have not returned.

ihate17
this is exactly what respecting an officer and the truth will get you
same goes for tickets i can almost guarentee if you get pulled over for speeding and arent an asshole you will either get it dropped on the spot or significantly reduced.
Just like the random security check. If you told him what it was for and told him everything in a nice manner not thinking about beating a pig or whatever you said it might have been much easier for you
 

Pwn

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#82
ihate17 said:
A year or two before gambling was legalized in Detroit I was in Detroit for a convention. A couple of guys from Florida who had driven up asked me if I wanted to go with them to the casino in Windsor and I decided to go. While waiting in line for customs on the bridge the driver mentions that he has a gun in his glove box. I tell him I have no wish to spend a few nights or longer in a Canadian jail and he should declare it and I bet the Canadians give him a receipt and return it to him when he returns to the U.S., which is exactly what took place with minimal problems. Who knows what would have happened had he not declared it and the car was searched.

The casino itself was overcrowded. No room at any blackjack tables and based upon the crowd and the game I never tried to play. Seemed like there also was not an empty machine in the joint and nothing is more booring than spending several hours watching a friend hitting a spin button on a slot.

Have not returned.

ihate17
lol! That is awesome. Yea I believe it is a much different Casino now - Casears bought it out and made renovations.

standard toaster said:
this is exactly what respecting an officer and the truth will get you
same goes for tickets i can almost guarentee if you get pulled over for speeding and arent an asshole you will either get it dropped on the spot or significantly reduced.
Just like the random security check. If you told him what it was for and told him everything in a nice manner not thinking about beating a pig or whatever you said it might have been much easier for you

lol - I think different. You should see some of the things I go through due to my age, honestly. Trust me I can be very professional, lol yea I know it is hard to believe :laugh:


Pwn
 
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#84
Well, I cannot tell a lie....Soooo. Judging from your attitude, and language, you are in for a lot more losing sessions. My opinion only of course, and I realize my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it!
 

Pwn

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#85
BigEd said:
Well, I cannot tell a lie....Soooo. Judging from your attitude, and language, you are in for a lot more losing sessions. My opinion only of course, and I realize my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it!
Great post
 
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Bojack1

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#86
Hey pwn I think you've got trouble here and everyone sees it but you. You may think you're copping to whats wrong with your game but all of your posts are full of contradictions that prove otherwise. I wouldn't worry about what are the best games to play if you don't play them right anyway. I have nothing against you man but so many here have tried to tell you whats up and you either tune them out or try to rationalize what is really nothing more than playing very badly. Counting correctly doesn't mean a thing if you don't follow it up with the correct actions. And going to the casino willing to blow 10 grand is no excuse to actually try to do it. If you want a rush climb a mountain, jump out of a plane, step into a ring and go toe to toe with another man that wants fight as much as you do. Don't get it from throwing the big money down on the blackjack table. Very few, more than will ever admit to it, succeed at this game. Usually its emotion more than lack of skill that causes the failure. Knowing whats right and still doing whats wrong is worse than the ignorant ploppy and just as expensive. Even if you have a lot of money it doesn't mean its right to blow a lot of money and call yourself an advantage player. You may be a card counter because you can count cards, but until you get a handle on your emotions you don't have any real advantage when you play.

Basically you lost money even when the count was high. So what, that happens all the time. It seems bad to you because its happened to you everytime you've gone to the casino....that would be once. Fix your game, bet with your head, don't throw out anymore $1000 bets, and come to grips that there will be big losses in high counts, and the frustration should subside with experience. Don't fix your game and I think this will be a very short ride for you. Best of luck to you.
 

Pwn

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#87
Bojack1 said:
Hey pwn I think you've got trouble here and everyone sees it but you. You may think you're copping to whats wrong with your game but all of your posts are full of contradictions that prove otherwise. I wouldn't worry about what are the best games to play if you don't play them right anyway. I have nothing against you man but so many here have tried to tell you whats up and you either tune them out or try to rationalize what is really nothing more than playing very badly. Counting correctly doesn't mean a thing if you don't follow it up with the correct actions. And going to the casino willing to blow 10 grand is no excuse to actually try to do it. If you want a rush climb a mountain, jump out of a plane, step into a ring and go toe to toe with another man that wants fight as much as you do. Don't get it from throwing the big money down on the blackjack table. Very few, more than will ever admit to it, succeed at this game. Usually its emotion more than lack of skill that causes the failure. Knowing whats right and still doing whats wrong is worse than the ignorant ploppy and just as expensive. Even if you have a lot of money it doesn't mean its right to blow a lot of money and call yourself an advantage player. You may be a card counter because you can count cards, but until you get a handle on your emotions you don't have any real advantage when you play.

Basically you lost money even when the count was high. So what, that happens all the time. It seems bad to you because its happened to you everytime you've gone to the casino....that would be once. Fix your game, bet with your head, don't throw out anymore $1000 bets, and come to grips that there will be big losses in high counts, and the frustration should subside with experience. Don't fix your game and I think this will be a very short ride for you. Best of luck to you.
Very inspiring, thank you.


Pwn
 
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#88
Are you kidding me?

Did you really ask what the pen was at the table? I cant believe that they didnt red flag you right then and there just for that. YOu have to remember my friend that you are doing something that the casinos frown upon and it is best to fly under the radar by saying as little about the game itself as possible. Talk, yell, scream, act drunk as hell, thats all good i look like a raving drunk maniac when i play but havent touched a drink in years. Other then chit chat and voo doo superstions chat, i would keep everything and anything AP under your hat. I hope you get backl out there soon enough but you need a more aggresive betting ramp, and also some camoflage plays, and as you already know you are over betting for your bankroll. Im sure in due time you will get in your hours and become quite good if you keep at it. For now i would play locations you dont mind being 86'd at in the future.
 

EasyRhino

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#89
takinfromindians97 said:
and also some camoflage plays,
I'm not writing this because I'm worried that pwn is going to pay attention, but just in case anyone else is.

I don't think camouflage, of any sort, is a good idea right now. If a player is still strugglign with the basic fundamentals of counting, betting, and playing, then the goal should be to do everything by the book. This will help separate the accidental errors from any camouflage.
 

Pwn

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#90
EasyRhino said:
I'm not writing this because I'm worried that pwn is going to pay attention, but just in case anyone else is.

I don't think camouflage, of any sort, is a good idea right now. If a player is still strugglign with the basic fundamentals of counting, betting, and playing, then the goal should be to do everything by the book. This will help separate the accidental errors from any camouflage.
Yea I am going to need some seat time before I can effectively use any camo
 
#92
Sonny said:
Just a reminder that offensive or off-topic posts will be removed. Thank you for your cooperation. :)
Ya! If anyone wants to call the President of the United States a "terrorist" (or a genocidal war criminal, etc.) you must do so in....
The Zen Zone, where no one will be overly offended.

Thank you for your cooperation.

And remember: DEATH TO JACK-BOOTED POST BUSTERS!! zg
 

FLASH1296

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#93
What happened and why.

What happened is actually fairly normal.

You didn't lose all of that much when measured in terms of how many MAX Bets that was.

You were PROFOUNDLY "over-betting" your bankroll.

What makes you think that you are a favorite to win a hand at a +6 T.C. ?

Playing against a shoe with such awful penetration is masochistic.

I assume that you use Hi-Lo.

+6 T.C. gives you a temporary edge of approx. 2.5% and it is time to get out your Max Bet; but NOT because you are favored to win. You aren't. It is because there are more than the normal 1 in 21 chances of catching a Blackjack and your Double Downs and Splits are more favorable than normal. Your winning chances on the next bet is in the neighborhood of 48+%, with perhaps 11+% pushes; but you did not wisely define your Max Bet.

Your inexperience and lack of knowledge, fueled by a hint of greed, did that to you.

To make the matter simple, this is how to define your Max Bet.

Take 1% of your bankroll as your MAX BET

Scale your betting-ramp backwards from there.

It might look something like this:

Bankroll - $5,000

MAX BET = 1% or $50

So you bet from $5 to $50

With such a poorly dealt game your expectation is to earn much less than minimum wage betting nickels.

At this point you are thinking that i am a complete yahoo.

What you did was create a Risk of Ruin that I am guessing was approximately 45%. That means that you were almost as likely to go completely BROKE as you were to DOUBLE your stake - had you played until either event happened. Being a Six to Five favorite to win is dreadful - especially when your bankroll is not easily replenished. If you win 5K that is very good BUT if you lose 5K it can be devastating to a 21 year old.

Bankroll Considerations are even more important than Game Selection.

 
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Pwn

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#94
zengrifter said:
Ya! If anyone wants to call the President of the United States a "terrorist" (or a genocidal war criminal, etc.) you must do so in....
The Zen Zone, where no one will be overly offended.

Thank you for your cooperation.

And remember: DEATH TO JACK-BOOTED POST BUSTERS!! zg
lol - Obviously number boy has not entered " The Zen Zone "....

Pwn
 

Pwn

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#95
FLASH1296 said:
What happened is actually fairly normal.

You didn't lose all of that much when measured in terms of how many MAX Bets that was.

You were PROFOUNDLY "over-betting" your bankroll.

What makes you think that you are a favorite to win a hand at a +6 T.C. ?

Playing against a shoe with such awful penetration is masochistic.

I assume that you use Hi-Lo.

+6 T.C. gives you a temporary edge of approx. 2.5% and it is time to get out your Max Bet; Your winning chances on the bet to come is in the neighborhood of 48+%, with perhaps 10+% pushes; but you did not wisely define your Max Bet. Your inexperience and lack of knowledge, fueled by a hint of greed, did that to you.

To make the matter simple, this is how to define your Max Bet.

Take 1% of your bankroll as your MAX BET

Scale your betting-ramp backwards from there.

It might look something like this:

Bankroll - $5,000

MAX BET = 1% or $50

So you bet from $5 to $50

With such a poorly dealt game your expectation is to earn much less than minimum wage betting nickels.

At this point you are thinking that i am a complete yahoo.

What you did was create a Risk of Ruin that I am guessing was approximately 45%. That means that you were almost as likely to go completely BROKE as you were to DOUBLE your stake - had you played until either event happened. Being a Six to Five favorite to win is dreadful - especially when your bankroll is not easily replenished. If you win 5K that is very good BUT if you lose 5K it can be devastating to a 21 year old.

Bankroll Considerations are even more important than Game Selection.

No believe me I def understand I mixed gambling with counting - On a side note, what does my age have to do with it?

P.S. - I am 20 :)
 
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EasyRhino

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#96
Pwn said:
Yea I am going to need some seat time before I can effectively use any camo
Sitting at the tables is too expensive for you.

I recommend downloading powersim. See if you can successfully create a simulation run of a game, a bankroll, and a bet spread, and see what the results are and what the risk of ruin is. You can post the results here for a reality check.

If you come up with something that seems like a winner, then you need to practice, at home, to where you can keep a count under all circumstances, you know exactly what you're going to bet at each count, and you can play perfect basic strategy. All at the same time.
 

Pwn

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#97
EasyRhino said:
Sitting at the tables is too expensive for you.

I recommend downloading powersim. See if you can successfully create a simulation run of a game, a bankroll, and a bet spread, and see what the results are and what the risk of ruin is. You can post the results here for a reality check.

If you come up with something that seems like a winner, then you need to practice, at home, to where you can keep a count under all circumstances, you know exactly what you're going to bet at each count, and you can play perfect basic strategy. All at the same time.

Yea..... That is what I should have done in the first place
 

FLASH1296

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#98
You asked: "... what does my age have to do with it?"

Someone your age, by definition, must be inexperienced.
It is important to acknowledge that you need experience
to succeed at most things that are worthwhile.
Indeed, I have been a pro player since before you existed.

Generally, large amounts of discretionary cash do not come easily to 20 year-olds.

At 20, we all want to be world-beaters and imagine that our boldness will pay quick and impressive dividends.
 

Pwn

Well-Known Member
#99
FLASH1296 said:
You asked: "... what does my age have to do with it?"

Someone your age, by definition, must be inexperienced.
It is important to acknowledge that you need experience
to succeed at most things that are worthwhile.
Indeed, I have been a pro player since before you existed.

Generally, large amounts of discretionary cash do not come easily to 20 year-olds.

At 20, we all want to be world-beaters and imagine that our boldness will pay quick and impressive dividends.

I will be the first to tell you my over achiever mentality lol and yes at the tables I am inexperienced no doubt. I am not your average 20 year old that is for positive... All I was implying is that you can not judge a persons assets, capitol, etc etc just by age

Pwn
 

ihate17

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Your statement needs to be corrected

zengrifter said:
Ya! If anyone wants to call the President of the United States a "terrorist" (or a genocidal war criminal, etc.) you must do so in....
The Zen Zone, where no one will be overly offended.


Restated properly:

The Zen Zone, where no one will care if you are overly offended.

ihate17
 
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