No winners ever?

From his web site:

" will wager my $30,000 against your $3,000 (or my $10,000 against your $1,000, if you prefer) that your betting system cannot beat a game of roulette (single- or double-zero), baccarat, or craps as the player using standard U.S. rules over one billion computer-simulated rounds, as per the additional terms below. You win the challenge if your system shows a profit at the end of the simulation, I win if it does not"

My question....whats this got to do with blackjack?

Nevertheless, as I have been trying to explain...(doesn't anyone listen), I am not trying to promote or sell any system. I am simpley trying to encourage
those players interested to continue to look for positive progression systems for blackjack (not craps or baccarat or roulette).

By the way...I agree 1000% with the challenge. There is no way in hell that he would ever have to pay off.

I'm not sure why some progrssion system that didn't involve counting or some form of it would work in Blackjack and not say roulette?

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. And yes, there is a progressive betting system that works.

BJ isn't really independent trials. There is an ever-so-slight effect in BJ that results in an increase in advantage after you lose a hand. But, it's not enough to turn a profit with today's rules.

Of course there is, but it is guarded by a greedy leprechaun who never sleeps. You must play an ancient song on a mystical flute carved from the bones of a dragon to induce his slumber. Only then will you be able to learn the holy grail of all progression systems – a system so powerful that it defies all logic and laws and will allow you to beat the casinos without any skill or knowledge whatsoever. The odds will magically turn in your favor every time you adjust your bets in just the right way. You can laugh at the foolish APs who spend their lives studying and practicing the skills to beat the games the hard way. What fools they must be to choose hard work over a life-long free lunch. Your entire family for generations to come can be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams without ever having to do any work at all.

Shhhhhh, nobody wake him. He’s paying our salaries.:laugh:

-Sonny-

BTW, how does one become a "bullet chaser" on this forum ?

From his web site:

" will wager my $30,000 against your $3,000 (or my $10,000 against your $1,000, if you prefer) that your betting system cannot beat a game of roulette (single- or double-zero), baccarat, or craps as the player using standard U.S. rules over one billion computer-simulated rounds, as per the additional terms below. You win the challenge if your system shows a profit at the end of the simulation, I win if it does not"

My question....whats this got to do with blackjack?

Nevertheless, as I have been trying to explain...(doesn't anyone listen), I am not trying to promote or sell any system. I am simpley trying to encourage
those players interested to continue to look for positive progression systems for blackjack (not craps or baccarat or roulette).

fredperson sir,
i think you keep missing my question.
does your system work for multiple deck or just single deck?

All the development simulations were 4 deck, 3 deck penetration.

In practice, it won consistanty in 4,6 and 8 deck games.
It doesn't work well in single deck, double deck or CSM games.
I can rationalize a reason for this. Remember, the whole premise is to take advantage of win strings. I suspect 4 or more decks are required for win streaks to develop with positive counts.

So from now on, we will refer to it as the "Fibonacci System", not a progression system.

Yes, the Martingale is the classic example of a progression system. The Fibonacci system is just as flawed (though possibly not as obviously), and is still a progression.

Actually, I didn't realize that there was a progression system call the Fibonacci System. My bad.

So from now on we'll call my system the FF system. (Fred's Fibonacci).

Perhaps we should call it FWPSTISTLYAOYHEM (Fred's Worthless Progression System That Is Sure To Lose You All Of Your Hard Earned Money -- but that's just a working title :laugh.

So, Fred, what's the difference between your Fibonacci system and the one that Sonny posted?

I doubt there is any material difference at all.

There is a huge,fundamental difference.

I think one of the reasons there are so many objections to my posts is due to the fact that I have called it a progression system.
When people hear progression. they think of the Martingdale system, which of course is fatally flawed, and even when it works temporarily, produces only a minimal return.

The system I developed, and used sucessfully for many years at casinos in Atlantic City and Nevada was based on Fibonacci numbers, and was designed to maximize the return when a win streak of 5 or longer was encountered.
So from now on, we will refer to it as the "Fibonacci System", not a progression system.

Those esteemed members of this forum that would like more information on Fibonacci might want to look here: http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/