They don't care one dime about their customers as I witnessed a guy doubling on a 5, 7, and even a hard 12 in a + count. When I asked the dealer and pitboss to please not let the guy play anymore as he was obviously in no shape or frame of mind to be playing bj, their response was "We can't tell the guy what to do with his money."
The casinos are a giant immoral lot!
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FLASH1296
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The so-called 'Gaming Industry' is an 'Evil Empire' that cares not at all about what happens
to their guests, just as long as they continue to bring their money to their properties.
A Casino is a place that was designed to separate the public from its money as efficiently as possible.
It succeeds by taking advantage of the ignorant, the addicted, the intoxicated, the misinformed, etc.
to their guests, just as long as they continue to bring their money to their properties.
A Casino is a place that was designed to separate the public from its money as efficiently as possible.
It succeeds by taking advantage of the ignorant, the addicted, the intoxicated, the misinformed, etc.
Losers laments. I suppose the auto industry cares about their clients, right?
The airline industry? Howzabout Wall Street? Think you local bartender gives a **** about you ?
For what its worth, I've seen casinos that are bound by law not to allow people who are or appear to be intoxicated play. This law is even written on the felt of the table or the sign with the table limit in some casinos I've visited. Yet, time and time again, a drunk or stoned person will play and the casino will not stop them. I've even told pit bosses about these people at my table when it is so blatantly obvious that they are intoxicated. Not once has the staff stopped them from playing.
The casinos are a giant immoral lot!
The casinos are no more immoral than the Church Pastor
What can they do if some people want to throw their money at the casino.
I once played beside a guy who wanted to double his 16 against the dealers 10. I cautioned the dealer to get the pit boss opinion on this. The pit boss came over and asked him twice. Sir, this is not a good double down card. Next he said are you sure you want to do this. He answered yes and the pit boss motioned to the dealer to deal the card to him.
The casinos are no more immoral than the Church Pastor
What can they do if some people want to throw their money at the casino.
I once played beside a guy who wanted to double his 16 against the dealers 10. I cautioned the dealer to get the pit boss opinion on this. The pit boss came over and asked him twice. Sir, this is not a good double down card. Next he said are you sure you want to do this. He answered yes and the pit boss motioned to the dealer to deal the card to him.
MartyAce
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I have seen this frequently as well. They state its illegal for them to allow a publicly intoxicated persons to gamble. I have however seen a casino who had an individual who was drunk, told them they cannot gamble and gave them a free room to stay, based on the fact that if they drove home and hurt someone the casino was liable because the person became intoxicated on their property.
A side note on the point of the conversation regarding morals and the casino:
The casino is providing an entertainment to the consumer. While a lot of people go to a casino to try and win money, and many do. You are suppose to lose, it is your end of the bargain to lose. They see it as a transaction of entertainment and it is your part of the deal to lose. Therefore, they don't really have to stop someone from making a dumb decision.
ihate17
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As long as you understand they are immoral
We all deal with immoral companies and people all the time and as long as we are aware we are generally self protected.
So casinos are immoral. Soi do not get drunk while you play, do not expect them to feel sorry for you if you lost the rent. As long as you are self responsible and the casino is immoral and not dishonest, you should be fine and it is no big deal or surprise.
ihate17
We all deal with immoral companies and people all the time and as long as we are aware we are generally self protected.
So casinos are immoral. Soi do not get drunk while you play, do not expect them to feel sorry for you if you lost the rent. As long as you are self responsible and the casino is immoral and not dishonest, you should be fine and it is no big deal or surprise.
ihate17
Automatic Monkey
Banned
And they were right. As long as he is legally able to play (over 21, not intoxicated or self-banned) he can play any way he wants.
Think of it this way- look how many people think we're crazy for playing the way a card counter plays. But when the casino stops us from playing, it's for their own protection, not ours.
creeping panther
Banned
Get educated
Then the casino cannot take excessive advantage.
Don't drink, drug, it will destroy your life in far more ways than just at the casino.
At the recent "BJ BASH" the only drinks these highly skilled AP's had were for table cover. They were all clean living and fit Predators. :grin:
CP
Then the casino cannot take excessive advantage.
Don't drink, drug, it will destroy your life in far more ways than just at the casino.
At the recent "BJ BASH" the only drinks these highly skilled AP's had were for table cover. They were all clean living and fit Predators. :grin:
CP
As low as my opinion is of casinos sometimes, the fact remains that they don't force anyone to come in and gamble at their tables or machines. Even though they make sure there's no shortage of alcohol available and would be more than happy to get everyone hammered while their money's on the table, they don't force anyone to drink. If you don't have the self-control to restrain yourself, then you shouldn't be in the casino.
And as much as we may hate it, the casinos also have a right to protect their business from APs. Just as we have the right to play with an advantage for as long as they'll let us. (so long as we're not cheating) If a casino wasn't able to detect an AP and he took the tables for 5 figures, then they should learn how to protect the game better.
Although I will say that they should keep a better eye out for drunks. I've sat next to some absolutely blasted people before, and seen them toss black and purple chips away like candy, and then stumble away from the table and probably out the exit doors and into the parking lot.
And as much as we may hate it, the casinos also have a right to protect their business from APs. Just as we have the right to play with an advantage for as long as they'll let us. (so long as we're not cheating) If a casino wasn't able to detect an AP and he took the tables for 5 figures, then they should learn how to protect the game better.
Although I will say that they should keep a better eye out for drunks. I've sat next to some absolutely blasted people before, and seen them toss black and purple chips away like candy, and then stumble away from the table and probably out the exit doors and into the parking lot.
sagefr0g
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agreed. and i've seen dealers that obviously knew a regular patron was a bit wacky about going over board on betting and gambling to try and get the guy to moderate his behavior and gamble more reasonably. this particular person was mentally off base, his parents would deliver him to Sea Escape for a five hour cruise and pick him up in a fine Caddilac SUV. it was obvious they were using the joint as a kind of 'baby' sitting service. lol
so but anyway, did the guy who doubled his 16v10 get a 21 ? :joker::devil:
blackchipjim
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morals
I think a better statement would be amoral which is not having any. Casinos and anyone who cater to compulsive behavior people can be grouped together. I was at a vegas casino once and experienced a woman's decline from alert to stone drunk. They had to keep waking her up to bet and play her cards,funny thing though, the lady was winning her butt off. I was a bit confused by the casinos behavior but true to form they kept dealing to her. blackchipjim
I think a better statement would be amoral which is not having any. Casinos and anyone who cater to compulsive behavior people can be grouped together. I was at a vegas casino once and experienced a woman's decline from alert to stone drunk. They had to keep waking her up to bet and play her cards,funny thing though, the lady was winning her butt off. I was a bit confused by the casinos behavior but true to form they kept dealing to her. blackchipjim
ChefJJ
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This is a matter of some people playing irresponsibly or playing high-vig games, which is their own problem. Casinos are businesses, and they're out to make money...just as we are when we go to the casino.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I appreciate people throwing their money away, I couldn't win without that money. I thank them from the bottom of my heart
Call me immoral :grin:
good luck
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I appreciate people throwing their money away, I couldn't win without that money. I thank them from the bottom of my heart
Call me immoral :grin:good luck
tribute
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There is a very interesting related article in Eliot Jacobson's book, "The Blackjack Zone", where he describes an encounter with a drunk player at his table. You may read the article at: (Dead link: http://www.jacobsongaming.com/Articles.html)
The episode is mentioned on pages 156 through 158 of the book.
At one of my local casinos they have a very strict policy with alcohol.
I've seen numerous people removed from the tables and escorted to a waiting room where they can wait for a ride. You cannot leave that room until someone claims you and then they will not allow you back on the floor.
The waitresses will not take your order without taking your empty bottle/glass when they go to the bar.
You can also only carry one drink away from the bar at a time. If you get one from the bar yourself, the floor person will remove the old one, no matter how much is in it.
I've seen numerous people removed from the tables and escorted to a waiting room where they can wait for a ride. You cannot leave that room until someone claims you and then they will not allow you back on the floor.
The waitresses will not take your order without taking your empty bottle/glass when they go to the bar.
You can also only carry one drink away from the bar at a time. If you get one from the bar yourself, the floor person will remove the old one, no matter how much is in it.
blackchipjim
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morals of gambling
Hey JJ nobody thinks an idiot making bad mistakes is immoral. I believe Canadians have rules that govern intoxicated patrons. I have sat at alot of tables with people that are more concerned about how many drinks on the rocks they consume than how much money they are losing from stupid plays. It's laughable for the most part when they realize they lost a couple grand for 50 bucks worth of booze. blackchipjim
Hey JJ nobody thinks an idiot making bad mistakes is immoral. I believe Canadians have rules that govern intoxicated patrons. I have sat at alot of tables with people that are more concerned about how many drinks on the rocks they consume than how much money they are losing from stupid plays. It's laughable for the most part when they realize they lost a couple grand for 50 bucks worth of booze. blackchipjim
SecurityRisk
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I wasn't there to see it, but one time a dealer told me he once was dealing to a woman who was losing, and the woman started crying. He called the supervisor over and said "I can't deal to her anymore. She's crying." The supervisor said "Deal to her. She has money in the circle. She's a grown woman."
I was thankful a PB at Wynn casino quickly sized up an elegantly-dressed woman as drunk, stoned or crazed when she sat down at a table and skillfully moved her away. Of course, that might have been due to his seeing that several of us were preparing to leave. In my case, it wasn't so much the expectation of have a whack-o at the table as that she would have been one too many. So I stayed on and recovered partially from one of the worst beatings I've ever experienced the day before.
ihate17
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There is no crying in blackjack (like hell there isn't)
I have also witnessed tears on the blackjack table. Mr Carlson tittled his book about playing blackjack for blood and we have all witnessed sweat on the tables. So we have blood, sweat and tears (we could start a singing group with those words)
The woman crying did have her money in the circle and was not drunk, so the question becomes is crying mean you are incapacitated? Probably not. Could she have removed her bet before the cards were dealt, could she have removed herself from her seat? Yes!
Since I think running a gambling business is an immoral type of business but that if a casino follows whatever morality based rules it's commission requires it to follow, that if crying is not considered a "no more bets allowed" situation, they are certainly within their immoral rights to deal the hand without question (and of course without caring in the least)
I recently had a high count shoe from hell that probably could have brought me to tears if I had not experienced similar shoes in the past. Had I been crying towards the end of it I still would have insisted that they deal the cards to my max bet.
ihate17
I have also witnessed tears on the blackjack table. Mr Carlson tittled his book about playing blackjack for blood and we have all witnessed sweat on the tables. So we have blood, sweat and tears (we could start a singing group with those words)
The woman crying did have her money in the circle and was not drunk, so the question becomes is crying mean you are incapacitated? Probably not. Could she have removed her bet before the cards were dealt, could she have removed herself from her seat? Yes!
Since I think running a gambling business is an immoral type of business but that if a casino follows whatever morality based rules it's commission requires it to follow, that if crying is not considered a "no more bets allowed" situation, they are certainly within their immoral rights to deal the hand without question (and of course without caring in the least)
I recently had a high count shoe from hell that probably could have brought me to tears if I had not experienced similar shoes in the past. Had I been crying towards the end of it I still would have insisted that they deal the cards to my max bet.
ihate17
Cover
Letting the tears flow and insisting "my luck just has to change" in those circumstances could be an excellent cover move. :grin:
Letting the tears flow and insisting "my luck just has to change" in those circumstances could be an excellent cover move. :grin: