100% Pen?

Dyepaintball12

Dyepaintball12

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Speaking in generalities, with no casino names of course, has anyone ever seen a game with 100% Pen.? I was playing a 80% pen. game yesterday wishing for better times when I wondered if 100% games exist somewhere on this earth!

Off-the-beaten-path Indian Casinos, other countries, anything!
 
Dyepaintball12 said:
Speaking in generalities, with no casino names of course, has anyone ever seen a game with 100% Pen.? I was playing a 80% pen. game yesterday wishing for better times when I wondered if 100% games exist somewhere on this earth!

Off-the-beaten-path Indian Casinos, other countries, anything!
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No problem, if you have a time-machine.:)
 
I've seen a few charity games run out of cards and have to suffle the discards in order to finish the hand.
 
Dyepaintball12 said:
Speaking in generalities, with no casino names of course, has anyone ever seen a game with 100% Pen.? I was playing a 80% pen. game yesterday wishing for better times when I wondered if 100% games exist somewhere on this earth!

Off-the-beaten-path Indian Casinos, other countries, anything!
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I played single deck 3:2 at Four Queens in Vegas about 9 years ago where dealer ran out of cards 3 or 4 times and had to reshuffle discards. Pit boss came over and said to her, "That's not supposed to happen." She stopped running out of cards but game was still dealt pretty deep. I guess it was just one of those things you can't plan on, but it happened.
 
k_c said:
I played single deck 3:2 at Four Queens in Vegas about 9 years ago where dealer ran out of cards 3 or 4 times and had to reshuffle discards. Pit boss came over and said to her, "That's not supposed to happen." She stopped running out of cards but game was still dealt pretty deep. I guess it was just one of those things you can't plan on, but it happened.
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I don't think I'd want to draw discards, after I placed my bet in a high count and now the dealer gets to draw from a neutral deck.

Do you think a player could pull back their bet in Nevada if that happened? That might be a worthwhile AP move.
 
All the way through

Two years ago I was meandering around Reno and stopped into a honky tonk type of casino for a usual 30-60 min SD session. I walked up to an empty table with an Oriental dealer and proceeded to color in. As soon as we had started the session, I noticed this gal continually yawning and jokingly told her "Hey, the coffee's on me." She then replied "I just got off a double shift at 8:00 P.M. and was called back in 4 hours later because somebody called in sick. This gal was seriously sleepy and the rest of the hour became quite interesting. She soon began to lose track of the Ro#. She kept dealing way past Ro6 and 7. It was just a matter of time when she would completely blow it! Sure as shootin' the next deck was down to 2-3 cards and the came the inevitable, a pair of 8"s. She finally noticed she couldn't complete the hand with the cards remaining and looked thoroughly perplexed and asked "O my God, now what do I do?" I politely responded that she take the spent cards and simply reshuffle and continue with my hand. Since she had a 7 up and the RC was +1. I knew she either had the 10 card or a neutral in the hole. I began to salivate at this point and quickly planned my strategy for the rest of the session.
About 40 minutes later and several more lapses I colored up a very happy camper, tipped her and asked if she needed a pillow for the rest of the shift.
 
VEGAS WORLD offered 100% pen with their single decks. The only card you didn't see was the burn card. Limits $5-$500.

When the dealer ran out of cards, even in the middle of a hand, he shuffled and continued.

Black jacks paid even money, but it was an automatic winner against dealer blackjacks.

Vegas World sold packages that included "action chips" that only paid even money when used. So the single deck game was perfect for that. That's where I learned to count.

Stupak did have 6 deck shoes that paid 3-2 and dealt 5 decks before shuffling.

I never played there but I read that Bingo Palace did/does have that single deck game with $50 max.
 
JohnGalt1 said:
VEGAS WORLD offered 100% pen with their single decks. The only card you didn't see was the burn card. Limits $5-$500.

When the dealer ran out of cards, even in the middle of a hand, he shuffled and continued.

Black jacks paid even money, but it was an automatic winner against dealer blackjacks.

Vegas World sold packages that included "action chips" that only paid even money when used. So the single deck game was perfect for that. That's where I learned to count.

Stupak did have 6 deck shoes that paid 3-2 and dealt 5 decks before shuffling.

I never played there but I read that Bingo Palace did/does have that single deck game with $50 max.
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Yep. VW also had double exposure dealt to the last card. I'm sure they made money on it. Certainly did better than Stupak did on the Stratosphere tower.
 
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Dyepaintball12 said:
Speaking in generalities, with no casino names of course, has anyone ever seen a game with 100% Pen.? I was playing a 80% pen. game yesterday wishing for better times when I wondered if 100% games exist somewhere on this earth!

Off-the-beaten-path Indian Casinos, other countries, anything!
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I regularly plat a 6d down to 10-15.

A dd down to 10-15, not bad.

CP
 
The one game I know of where the dealer routinely deals to the bottom of the deck is at the Poker Palace in North Las Vegas. (Not Bingo Palace, that was the old name for the Palace Station.) Small pit, and there's only one single deck table, $50 limit. The bad news is that according to CBJN, BJ pays 1:1. I hadn't reviewed CBJN when I was there a few weeks ago, and frankly wasn't paying close attention, but saw no sign on the table giving notice of the BJ payoff. I was playing the double deck, only fair, but the place is such a dump I decided to shoot for the stars on my spread, if they kick me out, so what?

The Nevada Club in Reno used to routinely deal to the bottom of the deck, or very close to it. But that's ancient history.
 
Automatic Monkey said:
I don't think I'd want to draw discards, after I placed my bet in a high count and now the dealer gets to draw from a neutral deck.

Do you think a player could pull back their bet in Nevada if that happened? That might be a worthwhile AP move.
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History of Vegas games is that before Thorp if end of deck is encountered, discards are shuffled to finish round so I doubt if they would allow a bet being pulled back. I think it used to happen fairly regularly. Thorp used to play his hands in a way to force a reshuffle when there were a lot of low cards on the table so that the next deal would be favorable. Casinos then started liniting penetration to stop this.

It's an interesting combinatorial analysis problem to analyze EV when there is a possiblity of running out of cards forcing a reshuffle of discards. I addressed this in my initial efforts at CA as I was interested in seeing effects of extreme pen on play of hands. I was able figure a way to get EVs for non-split hands. I eventually abandoned this because it's something rarely, if ever, encountered.
 
WRX said:
The one game I know of where the dealer routinely deals to the bottom of the deck is at the Poker Palace in North Las Vegas. (Not Bingo Palace, that was the old name for the Palace Station.) Small pit, and there's only one single deck table, $50 limit. The bad news is that according to CBJN, BJ pays 1:1. I hadn't reviewed CBJN when I was there a few weeks ago, and frankly wasn't paying close attention, but saw no sign on the table giving notice of the BJ payoff. I was playing the double deck, only fair, but the place is such a dump I decided to shoot for the stars on my spread, if they kick me out, so what?

The Nevada Club in Reno used to routinely deal to the bottom of the deck, or very close to it. But that's ancient history.
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Thanks for the correction. I've never been to the Poker Palace.
 
QFIT said:
Yep. VW also had double exposure dealt to the last card. I'm sure they made money on it. Certainly did better than Stupak did on the Stratosphere tower.
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I bought Strat stock at the IPO for $5 a share and sold for $10.50. It eventually went to $12 before crashing.

I love sitting on both sides of the table. :laugh:
 
I've played a 100% pen shoe game with good rules before. Well actually 99% since the house policy was to burn the first and last card. Unfortunately the game didn't last too long as the ploppies thought the house was trying to cheat them somehow by doing this.
 
I hosted a game at a charity event not too long ago. 4 deck game early surrender 2:1 BJ payout, dealt to the last card. Pretty much everybody who played emptied his/her pockets. I advised everyone never to go to a casino :)

You need to know your advantage to have an advantage.
 
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