questions about tipping dealers

[moo321]

Why do people spend paragraphs making excuses instead of simply saying they are cheap.
You want your waiter to be paid $50,000 a year by his employer so you don't have to tip, fine. Just be prepared to pay twice as much for your dinner.

AMEN!

I can't believe everyone coming up with contrived-ass reasons why they can't tip a few bucks an hour. I'm not saying they deserve 10%. Just give them a buck once or twice an hour when you have a big bet out.


Thanks also to whoever posted the board with the toke rates. VERY interesting!

 

[aslan]

I'm not trying to insult you, but these are red flags that suggest you can't win.

Backcounters get more exercise than dealers. I guess you don't know this because you play handheld games and like the social aspect of staying at one table, as opposed to the financial aspect.

You might have more fun and lose less money by playing slow games like Pai-Gow Poker or (real) poker.

I have found that wonging out games are many times easier to find than wonging in games (not that you can't wong out there as well, but you know what I mean). In AC for instance, the better games ruleswise they keep full by not opening up additional tables, meaning that if you try backcounting chances are you will not be able to get a seat when the count turns good. Me, I like the social aspect of the game, but not in preference to the monetary aspect. I must have poorly worded my previous post. Also, currently in Vegas, there are few stores that I have found where you can back count due to NME, and places or games where you can are often sweatboxes. I'm not saying you can't find them, but BJ is getting to be a wonging out proposition. Team play attracts me, because I do know places where this will work well.

Why would I do better at a game where I have no advantage. With wonging out, coupled with counting, many games are beatable if only marginally. Or don't you agree? I'd sure like to find all these good rule games where backcounting is doable, that is, there is no heat and seats are generally available, and MSE is allowed. The exercise truly belongs to the backcounter because such games appear to me to have practically dried up. If not, somebody please PM me and clue me in on what I'm missing.

 

[dante62]

I usually tip a decent dealer twice a session (once I have figured out what the rotation is) and this usually comes on the heels of a decent win. Usually two whites and put it at the top of the bet so they play with the table and me. I have found that betting with the player makes the dealer a little more personable and this can make a table a more pleasant experience when sitting there for long durations. I measure a decent dealer by how efficiently they try to operate the table (quicker dealer, more hands to play), and how much actual good advice they give to novice players (if they prevent a bonehead move that keeps decent cards in the shoe). Sour puss dealers though, I never tip.

 

[creeping panther]

dante

I usually tip a decent dealer twice a session (once I have figured out what the rotation is) and this usually comes on the heels of a decent win. Usually two whites and put it at the top of the bet so they play with the table and me. I have found that betting with the player makes the dealer a little more personable and this can make a table a more pleasant experience when sitting there for long durations. I measure a decent dealer by how efficiently they try to operate the table (quicker dealer, more hands to play), and how much actual good advice they give to novice players (if they prevent a bonehead move that keeps decent cards in the shoe). Sour puss dealers though, I never tip.

When you tip always place bet for the dealer.

Tipping is to get you something you want, never just for the sake of tipping.

CP

 

[pogostick]

When I play tips for the dealers.. I usually put the toke on top of my bet and if it wins I give him the win and keep the original bet to reuse at the proper time. I tell them I'm doing it so they will make more by letting me play the same money over and over. It helps you tip more without actually costing so much.

Daddybo, That is how I tip. I love to see that $10 stack of white chips last for ever . Good post > POGO

 

[prankster]

I've found that when I toke I hear "checks play" alot less. I tip as the dealers are changing thanking the dealer leaving so the new dealer notices. Sometimes I'll just toke when I think my bet is about to increase a bunch-the count just jumped.:joker:

 

[muppet]

i generally don't tip unless i am winning. i tip a dollar here and there for a little bit of cheap cover. although i am thinking of not tipping at all instead..i've gotten some grief before from a dealer for tipping so little when i had so much in front of me.

i'm in a casino to win money, not to tip dealers or make friends

 

[Sharky]

Daddybo, That is how I tip. I love to see that $10 stack of white chips last for ever . Good post > POGO

DITTO!!! I place a fin on the spot and atop => I win, dealer wins..just continue playing the fin on my stack till it loses...dealer wins $10/hand as long as I win at a total cost of just $10 to me. Have had dealers pocket $40-50 many times and glad for their success

Personally, I tip well outside of BJ as well...problem is that tends to make people remember you. :flame:

 

[shadroch]

DITTO!!! I place a fin on the spot and atop => I win, dealer wins..just continue playing the fin on my stack till it loses...dealer wins $10/hand as long as I win at a total cost of just $10 to me. Have had dealers pocket $40-50 many times and glad for their success

Personally, I tip well outside of BJ as well...problem is that tends to make people remember you. :flame:

If you are betting $5 for the dealer on your hand, how is the dealer winning $10?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

If you are betting $5 for the dealer on your hand, how is the dealer winning $10?

Quite easy.

They win the $5 you gave them for the bet, and the $5 from the bet's winnings. That equals $10 if I am not mistaken

 

[NDN21]

tipping

When I play tips for the dealers.. I usually put the toke on top of my bet and if it wins I give him the win and keep the original bet to reuse at the proper time. I tell them I'm doing it so they will make more by letting me play the same money over and over. It helps you tip more without actually costing so much.

When in a winning session that is how I do it too; I keep the original bet that I placed for them. But I don't place a bet anymore often if their bet wins. I don't keep throwing my chip out as a bet for the dealer until it loses. No way. It is all win or lose on one bet; the chip goes back into my stack on draw. After one round the tipping session is over until I feel otherwise.

And I do count losses as a tip for them too. After all I tried to help them out by placing a bet for them, right? I guess I am counting based more on what comes out of my stack than what goes into their tip jar.

 

[NightStalker]

Your tokes will never be enough

I personally prefer toking 10% EV.. Based on my experiences, I rarely found a dealer who is satisfied with my tokes.. They ask 10% of winnings which I cannot afford... So, I've decided not to toke them unless I'm getting somthing better than normal conditions like pen/speed..

 

[shadroch]

Quite easy.

They win the $5 you gave them for the bet, and the $5 from the bet's winnings. That equals $10 if I am not mistaken

Then why are you not simply placing it in the tip circle? The idea of capping your bet is that you keep the bet, they get the winnings.

 

[JulieCA]

OK as a result of this thread, I have started tipping. I didn't realize dealers make minimum wage and depend on tips. I thought they got paid better.

Not tipping a lot, but some.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Then why are you not simply placing it in the tip circle? The idea of capping your bet is that you keep the bet, they get the winnings.

Oh I thought we were talking about placing $5 bets for the dealer, oops.

 

[Sharky]

Then why are you not simply placing it in the tip circle? The idea of capping your bet is that you keep the bet, they get the winnings.

My bad (don't normally use that word, but since its inventor just died - Manute Bol - I couldn't resist. May he rest in peace.

I misunderstood daddybro, what I do is place a fin on the spot (bet for the dealer) and place another on top of my stack. So I 'invest' $10 total - kudos CP, I agree in tipping to get something - and as long as I win, the dealer wins ($10 each hand) because I use the $10 from my stack to repeat - a fin on the spot and the other atop (my stack).

sorry for the confusion,

Sharky

 

[shadroch]

My bad (don't normally use that word, but since its inventor just died - Manute Bol - I couldn't resist. May he rest in peace.

I misunderstood daddybro, what I do is place a fin on the spot (bet for the dealer) and place another on top of my stack. So I 'invest' $10 total - kudos CP, I agree in tipping to get something - and as long as I win, the dealer wins ($10 each hand) because I use the $10 from my stack to repeat - a fin on the spot and the other atop (my stack).

sorry for the confusion,

Sharky

Have you ever considered what this cost you?

 

[Sharky]

Have you ever considered what this cost you?

not much, I only do it 2-5 times per session.

after big wins (thousands) i often leave my red at the table and give the cashier $5, or $10.

 

[BrianCP]

OK as a result of this thread, I have started tipping. I didn't realize dealers make minimum wage and depend on tips. I thought they got paid better.

Not tipping a lot, but some.

Haven't been to a casino yet, but when I first read about tipping the dealer in a blackjack book, I was surprised. I didn't know that you were supposed to. Their job does kinda suck and I didn't know that they made so little.

 

[aslan]

Haven't been to a casino yet, but when I first read about tipping the dealer in a blackjack book, I was surprised. I didn't know that you were supposed to. Their job does kinda suck and I didn't know that they made so little.

To put it in perspective, in a good house, namely, Caesar's in Las Vegas (where I have insider information), the dealers make $90,000 a year in good, non-recession years. That is probably the top income of dealers anywhere. It's all downhill from there, but I assume the same or close to the same is also true of houses like Bellagio, Aria and Venetian, but that is just a guess. I imagine in many of the smaller places, dealers barely eke out a living, but again, that's just a guess. It could be the house picks up the slack in some cases when dealers can't make much above their basic wages.