ChefJJ
Well-Known Member
Yup.
'Dice Control' Denounced
- Thread starter zengrifter
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Yup.
Currnetly I am consistently on axis 70% of the time and average 15+ ARS.
Add alcohol and I got NOTHING.
Do I believe I can influence the dice YOU BETCHA.
Do I believe that I can BE influenced... without a doubt.
There is no other game like craps; the key for me is to have fun and increase my odds.
Add alcohol and I got NOTHING.
Do I believe I can influence the dice YOU BETCHA.
Do I believe that I can BE influenced... without a doubt.
There is no other game like craps; the key for me is to have fun and increase my odds.
Katweezel
Well-Known Member
Bad booze
Hey Cat, You didn't say how much alcohol. I'd like to get more info on this topic, before Chef gives his take. Like, is a little OK? And how much is a little... detail like that.
It doesn't take much (2 drinks in less than an hour) to impact my game and I am no light weight when it comes to drinking; I'm no lush but I can hold my own.
My rule when on the craps table is no drinking until I have doubled my money, I get off the table when I have given 20% back. This is something I am working on at home and hope to find a better way. I do enjoy a few drinks when I play but if definitely messes with my game.
CrazyEddie
Member
1. There are a very few people who are good at DI.
2. They practice a lot.
3. There are many wannabes who aren't good at DI but think they are.
4. If you don't want to put in the time and effort to study and practice, the 2nd best thing is to find a good DI at a table and bet on him.
5. The people who are good at DI like to tell others that DI is an urban legend.
6. The best DI sites are dicecoach.com and diceinstitute.com
2. They practice a lot.
3. There are many wannabes who aren't good at DI but think they are.
4. If you don't want to put in the time and effort to study and practice, the 2nd best thing is to find a good DI at a table and bet on him.
5. The people who are good at DI like to tell others that DI is an urban legend.
6. The best DI sites are dicecoach.com and diceinstitute.com
zengrifter
Banned
So, 1-3, same story for both counting and ace-sidecounting, right? zg
zengrifter
Banned
The physics is solid IMO. zg
blackriver
Well-Known Member
can u elaborate? i cant get this stupid DI stuff out of my head. I feel like i either gotta do 10k rolls and find out or better yet get a physics professor to explain why this is impossible.
ICNT?
Tarzan
Banned
Dizzy on dice
I got my mitts on "Wong on dice" and read it over carefully, took a pair of standard issue dice and have practiced tossing them. Overall I am a lifetime loser at craps though! This is primarily because of the one and only bet of $1 (one white chip) on the 30:1 bet I did (as a fluke) while watching a friend play to be able to make this claim of being either a lifetime winner (or loser) at craps.
I'd have to practice a HECK of a lot more to achieve some sort of definite skill, definable results and understand appropriate betting strategy much more than I do to ever actually play it. I am just not a "hope for dumb luck" sort of guy. My other activities have limited how much time I can sit around diddling with tossing dice... I just don't have time to be tossing off all day! The theory of influencing dice roll outcome sounds quite plausible to me but it's also a matter of devoting some serious time to the project before I could ever put any money behind it. I am, after all, a lifetime loser at craps so far!
I got my mitts on "Wong on dice" and read it over carefully, took a pair of standard issue dice and have practiced tossing them. Overall I am a lifetime loser at craps though! This is primarily because of the one and only bet of $1 (one white chip) on the 30:1 bet I did (as a fluke) while watching a friend play to be able to make this claim of being either a lifetime winner (or loser) at craps.
I'd have to practice a HECK of a lot more to achieve some sort of definite skill, definable results and understand appropriate betting strategy much more than I do to ever actually play it. I am just not a "hope for dumb luck" sort of guy. My other activities have limited how much time I can sit around diddling with tossing dice... I just don't have time to be tossing off all day! The theory of influencing dice roll outcome sounds quite plausible to me but it's also a matter of devoting some serious time to the project before I could ever put any money behind it. I am, after all, a lifetime loser at craps so far!
FLASH1296
Well-Known Member
I bear witness to the fact that Tarzan is a lifetime loser at Craps.
Those who know the facts concerning that are chuckling to themselves.
DICE CONTROL, in the 21st century, is NOT PLAUSIBLE.
That is because the casinos have resurfaced their tables to make them harder.
The dice bounce too much on rock hard surfaces.
Deteriorating Bones
Reasonable, logical, sane probability science(math) folks on this site who will argue over a .01 advantage in a BJ play that give credence to this Dice sham are in a total disconnect.
Yes, there are physical controls in bowling tricks. In pool shots. In basketball off the empire state building across the Chrysler building down the chimney to Grand Central and nothing but net in the basket in Harlem. A curve ball curves.
Playing cards fly thru the air and dissect fruits and vegetables. A magician makes things that seem there, disappear.
Ceteris Parabus.
Rules of Dice at a casino: Hit the dimpled wall. Yes, I've seen the explanations for catching just the board. Won't last long. And is a skill of one in two thousand.
Shooters over centuries have tired to hold dem bones just right with the right touch in their toss.
Number one: the dimpled wall. Number two: Hold the dice in any 12 positions and throw them flat, what do you get. 7. You wanna pass 30,000 times. Good. And good luck. But the "Numbers" come from the variance in one or
the other die. And the ability to pour more money onto the table with odds, which should be the aim of like minded BJers, comes from the variance. Number three: Eight points to six flat surfaces on one die. Times 2.
If one really likes craps, one should go with the percentages, as outlined by eons of statistical analysis.
Why the esteemed professor of BJ would advocate a spurious "system" could only be explained by his own admission of adverse reaction to the sun. Needs his straw hat and long sleeve shirts. Only mad dogs and Englishmen, you know. He is neither. But he must have left his straw hat home during the course of advocating this "craps."
Reasonable, logical, sane probability science(math) folks on this site who will argue over a .01 advantage in a BJ play that give credence to this Dice sham are in a total disconnect.
Yes, there are physical controls in bowling tricks. In pool shots. In basketball off the empire state building across the Chrysler building down the chimney to Grand Central and nothing but net in the basket in Harlem. A curve ball curves.
Playing cards fly thru the air and dissect fruits and vegetables. A magician makes things that seem there, disappear.
Ceteris Parabus.
Rules of Dice at a casino: Hit the dimpled wall. Yes, I've seen the explanations for catching just the board. Won't last long. And is a skill of one in two thousand.
Shooters over centuries have tired to hold dem bones just right with the right touch in their toss.
Number one: the dimpled wall. Number two: Hold the dice in any 12 positions and throw them flat, what do you get. 7. You wanna pass 30,000 times. Good. And good luck. But the "Numbers" come from the variance in one or
the other die. And the ability to pour more money onto the table with odds, which should be the aim of like minded BJers, comes from the variance. Number three: Eight points to six flat surfaces on one die. Times 2.
If one really likes craps, one should go with the percentages, as outlined by eons of statistical analysis.
Why the esteemed professor of BJ would advocate a spurious "system" could only be explained by his own admission of adverse reaction to the sun. Needs his straw hat and long sleeve shirts. Only mad dogs and Englishmen, you know. He is neither. But he must have left his straw hat home during the course of advocating this "craps."
moo321
Well-Known Member
I doubt there's anyone making a living off standard dice control in craps. If they're mixing in short throws, maybe. But I doubt it'll last long.
Maybe if you find a dumb pit, it could be possible. But do you think they're going to let you land a big score? Try making short rolls and taking $5k off a casino, see what happens.
I could be wrong on this, and if anyone can present statistical evidence to the contrary, I'll listen. But I think it's pretty implausible.
Maybe if you find a dumb pit, it could be possible. But do you think they're going to let you land a big score? Try making short rolls and taking $5k off a casino, see what happens.
I could be wrong on this, and if anyone can present statistical evidence to the contrary, I'll listen. But I think it's pretty implausible.
Jack_Black
Well-Known Member
hit the board first, then let it roll and touch the back wall. how can that not last long? how is that a skill of 2000:1?
zengrifter
Banned
Touché! You got me! z:laugh:g
I love crap players> Old POGO is going to give you all his secret of holding the dice. On the come out hold 6 & 5 ,throw with a spinning motion . Place a horn bet . Good for 7s 2,3,11,12 . After the point has been established. Place the 3 & 3 in the V shape & throw keeping the dice level as gently as you can. THAT WILL BE $29.95 FOR THE INFO >BUT SINCE WE ARE ALL FRIENDS > ONLE $10.95 LOL Have fun! PS > really there are no secrets ,just smart play . Pass line bet ,take full odds > Come bet ,no more than 3 with full odds.
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
Look ya'll I'm just a broken down old drunk. and I just woke from my latest stupor. I'm no physicist or mathematician. I usually know enough to be dangerous and know more than that when I'm drunk. The general concept is that you can not prove a negative, so with indulgence and perhaps a time of sobriety I'll concoct a half assed proof of dice control possibility, without having read or paid attention to the proponents theory. It may take a while, cause many of the physical attributes to perfect control involve rocket science. And oh, I'm no rocket scientist either.
Look ya'll I'm just a broken down old drunk. and I just woke from my latest stupor. I'm no physicist or mathematician. I usually know enough to be dangerous and know more than that when I'm drunk. The general concept is that you can not prove a negative, so with indulgence and perhaps a time of sobriety I'll concoct a half assed proof of dice control possibility, without having read or paid attention to the proponents theory. It may take a while, cause many of the physical attributes to perfect control involve rocket science. And oh, I'm no rocket scientist either.