Key carding

Thanks to both you pros and I will have to do my research as soon as I find out what proximate dilute cohesiveness means.:confused:
 
zengrifter said:
ST is tougher for me, except the simple cut-off tracking, which you should know.
HC is a whole nother issue.

Keys are the signature cards that precede the Ace.
See paras 5&6, post #2 >
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=737#2

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I’ve been reading threads on shuffle tracking and sidecounting aces. Shuffle tracking is awesome if you’re sharp enough to learn it. It is too complex for me.

As for sidecounting aces, I know zengrifter strongly advocates keying aces instead, especially for ace-reckoned counting systems (e.g., UBZ II V0.5 BJInfo Open Source UBZ II V0.5).

In a 2D game, we use one key card to key the aces. And in a 6D shoe, we use two key cards. I would like to echo Dopple’s question. How do we compensate for the fact that there are so many identical cards (same value, same suit) in a 6D?

Also, does keying aces still work even when casinos use automatic shuffle machines? For example, I see that my local casinos do this with their 2D and 6D games. For 2D, they take the leftover cards in their hands and insert these cards in two different areas of the discard tray; then they riffle the entire two decks. For 6D, they take the leftover cards from the shoe and insert these cards in three different areas of the discard tray; then they put the entire 6D in the automatic shuffle machine. They don’t riffle these cards. Will keying aces be more effective on the 2D or 6D?

Thank you for your time and appreciate any comments.
 
nicetrades200303 said:
In a 2D game, we use one key card to key the aces. And in a 6D shoe, we use two key cards. I would like to echo Dopple’s question. How do we compensate for the fact that there are so many identical cards (same value, same suit) in a 6D?
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Use a minimum of TWO keys.
nicetrades200303 said:
Also, does keying aces still work even when casinos use automatic shuffle machines?
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Yes, at least with some. I found it very consistent with ASM 2D. zg
 
nicetrades200303 said:
I’ve been reading threads on shuffle tracking and sidecounting aces. Shuffle tracking is awesome if you’re sharp enough to learn it. It is too complex for me.

As for sidecounting aces, I know zengrifter strongly advocates keying aces instead, especially for ace-reckoned counting systems (e.g., UBZ II V0.5 BJInfo Open Source UBZ II V0.5).

In a 2D game, we use one key card to key the aces. And in a 6D shoe, we use two key cards. I would like to echo Dopple’s question. How do we compensate for the fact that there are so many identical cards (same value, same suit) in a 6D?

Sorry, I changed my mind with the answer, I never will give away any
details about ace sequenzing.
But you could find it out yourself, eigher at the kitchen table or watch it
during the game and make notices whilst the shuffle away from the BJ table
near roulette.
At 6d it's not the problem.

Also, does keying aces still work even when casinos use automatic shuffle machines? For example, I see that my local casinos do this with their 2D and 6D games. For 2D, they take the leftover cards in their hands and insert these cards in two different areas of the discard tray; then they riffle the entire two decks. For 6D, they take the leftover cards from the shoe and insert these cards in three different areas of the discard tray; then they put the entire 6D in the automatic shuffle machine. They don’t riffle these cards. Will keying aces be more effective on the 2D or 6D?

Thank you for your time and appreciate any comments.
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regards E.H.
 
zengrifter said:
Use a minimum of TWO keys.

Use a minimum of two keys and catch a maximum of aces ! huuuuuuuuuuh.sorry.

Now I understand, better 3 keys.
I can live always with 2 keys.

the best E.H.

zengrifter ,are you posting in the night ?
At my home country it's now midday
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aslan said:
nicetrades200303 said:
To start off, you have at worst a 50% chance of being right. After all, this is a game of percentages.
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You're right. A 50% chance of being right on keycarding adds to your advantage in addition to straight counting. I was just wondering in practice, when we have our big bets out there, do we often run into the problem of seeing the first "3" of spades when our key card is actually the other "3" of spades in the 2D game. Thanks.
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nicetrades200303 said:
aslan said:
You're right. A 50% chance of being right on keycarding adds to your advantage in addition to straight counting. I was just wondering in practice, when we have our big bets out there, do we often run into the problem of seeing the first "3" of spades when our key card is actually the other "3" of spades in the 2D game. Thanks.
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Listen to the zenmaster himself:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=11949&postcount=25
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