sagefr0g
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lol, that is a classic statement. not sure on your mathematical accuracy there but the statement has IMHO shrouded with in it one of the key elemnents of understanding needed for those who dare to play blackjack.
Dumbest thing I've heard said at the table
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lol, that is a classic statement. not sure on your mathematical accuracy there but the statement has IMHO shrouded with in it one of the key elemnents of understanding needed for those who dare to play blackjack.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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im 23, and i know a shitload more than i should for my age, trust me on that.. and btw, for single deck, the house edge can be cut in HALF by using composition vs total.. thats not a small margin to me.. i consider going from a .5 to .4 house edge a large reduction (if thats not large to you, then i guess $100/hr compared to $120/hr isnt large either)
The term "ploppy" was coined by author Frank Scoblete. This is his what he says:
"To set the record straight, a ploppy is a moron with an attitude. A ploppy is a fool. A ploppy usually looks like what he or she usually is -- something even a cat would think twice about dragging in. Ploppys come in all shapes and sizes (often quite strange actually) and, while most of them have low IQ's, some could be bright in a technical way. I have met ploppy doctors, ploppy lawyers, ploppy teachers, ploppy politicians, ploppy book reviewers. But generally speaking, the ploppy population is at the lower end of the bell curve of intelligence, often at the lower end of this same curve in manners, comportment, fashion, and hygiene. Ploppys usually travel alone but when they travel in mated pairs they are a sight to behold and a scent to smell. No one reading this book is a ploppy because by definition, ploppys don't read books about blackjack. They have their own strategies."
Don't think so. Just my opinion.
But feel free to share any sources or calculations your statement is based on.
Glad to know a ploppy is a moron with an attitude - thx.
BTW, a decrease from .5 to .4 is a 20% decrease, so, maybe not $100 vs $120. (not that losing only $96/hr vs $120/hr really thrills me that much.)
But I didn't learn that until I was at least 25 or 30.
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ChefJJ
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If you go by what Scoblete says, you should be an excellent AP
(LOADING ON THE SARCASM).good luck
aslan
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Last week a older man told me, "I just play Blackjack to relax. My real game is roulette." I asked him what his system was for playing roulette. He said he didn't have a system, he just played a lot of numbers.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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you dont think so? http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html that is my source.. it actually cuts it more than half
125 vs 100, 100 vs 96, 120 vs 100.. all the same
If you go by what Scoblete says, you should be an excellent AP
good luck
whats wrong with scoblete? just because he invented the speed count? he is very smart (ive read a lot of books tho, so i may be getting confused, but i do know that a lot of authors talk about him)
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ChefJJ
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You can definitely form your own opinion on the guy, but I think he's pretty damn near a fraud...he's got ways to win at any game! The speed count isn't the only thing.
zengrifter
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Scoblete's 'Best Blackjack' is a solid book. He's a good promoter, I wouldn't consider a fraud. zg
waveslider
Member
Heres a good one
Casinos were built on not hitting sixteen.....
Heard this said this once.............
100 hours is just a little neg variance makeup work on a bad weekend!
Casinos were built on not hitting sixteen.....
Heard this said this once.............
100 hours is just a little neg variance makeup work on a bad weekend!
waveslider
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Where is/are the indice(s) for doubling in a neg count?
Where is/are the indice(s) for doubling in a neg count?
SilentBob420BMFJ
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of course, look at any blackjack author, and he will have one even on slots (usually a "beat the casino" general type book), that doesnt mean his information on good games are bad.. think about it, how many gamblers play slots? 60%? way more? ok so why not make a book on slots? i like this guy named john grochowski, and he has several books on all the games, but he is very smart and will tell you flat out in the book that you cant beat slots without comps (even that is mostly of a lie), but those books can actually be books on why not to play those games, it just doesnt seem like it.. he is just try to make money, but at the same time he knows a lot.. not sure how that makes som1 a fraud, but in an extreme case, if a mathematician robs a bank, he is still smart (in math that is!)
Where is/are the indice(s) for doubling in a neg count?
i would like to know the negative count for doubling on a 15
Thanks Bob. I appreciate that.
My only guess is maybe his "optimal" return might be based on composition-dependent strategies up to 9-10 cards.
And why he chose to assume a cut-card in his "realistic" return, rather than a BS return, I don't know.
Anyway, take a look at the Wiz's Appendix 15, I think it is, and he lists alot of comp-dependent returns versus total-dependent returns. I don't think any are over a .0004 difference and never close to half I don't think. But maybe it's based on only up to 6-card comp-dependent hands or, perhaps, more real-world rules than one is likely to encounter in SD. Just a guess.
Anyway, have fun trying to reconcile some of his stated returns there with his calculator.
I'm not a big fan of Scolbete either, fwiw.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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what is a "basic strategy return".. that makes no sense.. is that with or without a cut card? if yes, what is the penetration? you see how it matters? i dont like how he did cut card with total, and shuffle every hand with composition.. i wonder what the penetration is anyways, because surely it cant be a solid number.. he is smart, im sure for 1 deck he did like 40%, then 50% for 2 deck, then 75% for shoes, or something similar.. wait a minute, do you think that a cut card has nothing to do with your return if your not counting? it does.. its small, but there is a difference.. i also dont like when he does a calculation assuming infinite decks, or other odd things you dont find in the casino.. if he had a lot of time, he should make a basic strategy and house edge calculator where you can pick the penetration of the cut card, and other more complex options
Bashful C. Stupid-Butt
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"16 is the worst hand you can possibly have"
22 is much, much worse than 16.
The highest hand I doubled down on was a 14 and I drew a 7. I've also snagged a 9 with a 12. Not something I do often, I just remember I hadn't seen many 7's.
22 is much, much worse than 16.
The highest hand I doubled down on was a 14 and I drew a 7. I've also snagged a 9 with a 12. Not something I do often, I just remember I hadn't seen many 7's.