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Sage

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Many books suggest betting 1 unit under TC = 3 and 2 units at TC = 3.
I count HI-Lo & take insurance @ TC =3. So, at high counts, with big bets out I get BJ at a 1 to 1 pay off, at low counts with minimum bets I get 3 to 2.
So what is the big deal about 6 to 5? For a counter it only effects the low bets because at high counts you only get 1 to 1 anyway.:devil:
I have not played 6 to 5 but am thinking about it:joker:
 
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21gunsalute

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#2
Uh, no you only take even money when the dealer has an Ace showing, not on every blackjack when the true count is 3 and above. Big difference!
 
Southpaw

Southpaw

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Sage said:
Many books suggest betting 1 unit under TC = 3 and 2 units at TC = 3.
I count HI-Lo & take insurance @ TC =3. So, at high counts, with big bets out I get BJ at a 1 to 1 pay off, at low counts with minimum bets I get 3 to 2.
So what is the big deal about 6 to 5? For a counter it only effects the low bets because at high counts you only get 1 to 1 anyway.:devil:
I have not played 6 to 5 but am thinking about it:joker:
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The "big deal" about 6:5 BJ is that it is the single most player-disadvantageous rule that is widely implemented (dealer wins ties isn't that common, except at charities, is it?). Because of the huge disadvantage that it provides the player, you are certainly not going to gain a worthwhile advantage against the game with a benign 1-2 spread, even if the pen is great. Furthermore, it takes a much higher count before the player begins to see an advantage when 6:5 is implemented. This, therefore, reduces the number of favorable betting situations.

P.S. -- 6:5 is most commonly found on single-deck games and your insurance index is +1 in single-deck games.

Best,

SP
 
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Sage

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Uh, no you only take even money when the dealer has an Ace showing, not on every blackjack when the true count is 3 and above. Big difference!
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Your right!! I did not think it through. 6 to 5 is a bad deal!!
 
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WrongWayWade

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No even money at 6:5

Sage said:
Many books suggest betting 1 unit under TC = 3 and 2 units at TC = 3.
I count HI-Lo & take insurance @ TC =3. So, at high counts, with big bets out I get BJ at a 1 to 1 pay off, at low counts with minimum bets I get 3 to 2.
So what is the big deal about 6 to 5? For a counter it only effects the low bets because at high counts you only get 1 to 1 anyway.:devil:
I have not played 6 to 5 but am thinking about it:joker:
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You can't get 'even money' on your blackjack at a 6:5 table. You can take insurance, but no even money That blows up your theory completely.
 
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Sucker

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D1ceplayr said:
insurance=even money
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21gunsalute said:
You sure about that?
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For all intents and purposes, when blackjack pays 3:2; "insurance" is synonymous with "even money". Although there are some places that force you to physically put up the insurance money, rather than allowing you to just say "even money".
 
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victorino

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alwayssplitaces said:
A good way to beat 6-5 single deck is to just sit at a table and take insurance on everyone's hand when the dealer shows Ace and count is over +3
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What kind of cover do you use to pull this off? It's a little risky, no?
 
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Sucker

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alwayssplitaces said:
A good way to beat 6-5 single deck is to just sit at a table and take insurance on everyone's hand when the dealer shows Ace and count is over +3
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Putting aside the real-life problems that you'll have, such as heat, other players cooperating with you, or the fact that you'll also get players who'll actually try to STEAL your winnings by NOT releasing them to you (and the casino will NOT get involved in this dispute):

If you sit there for 8 hours you'll see about 400 rounds of hands. Of those, the dealer will have an ace up 1/13 of the time, or about 30 times or so. Of those 30 times, the count will be high enough for insurance probably about 7 or 8 times. If the TOTAL amount of bets on the table averages $100 (which in reality is a VERY HIGH estimate, due to the fact that high betters usually shy away from 6:5); that means that maybe 8 times a day you'll be able to make a $50 bet with an average edge of what, maybe 5%? This is an average earn of $2.50 per bet. In other words, IF Murphy stays home and IF everything else goes perfectly, you'll be AVERAGING about $20 for an eight-hour day.

I can think of better ways to make a living.....
 
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