Advantage

[prankster]

O.K., so counting gives us an advantage averaging roughly 2%. If I play with one or more partners who call me in when the count is high what's my advantage? :joker:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

O.K., so counting gives us an advantage averaging roughly 2%. If I play with one or more partners who call me in when the count is high what's my advantage? :joker:

It's whatever the advantage is at the count they call you in at.

2%? That's possible but kind of hard to do. Your average advantage depends on your game and your spread. With the usual tolerable spreads, you can get a 2% advantage in a good SD game but barring that you're going to have to play in a place where you can spread whatever you want with no heat if you want a 2% average advantage. Or backcount.

 

[prankster]

Well,I said "averaging roughly 2%" and of course we're going to pick games with player friendly rules, and excellent pen. In The Hot Shoe I believe Tommy Hyland said the advantage is huge when using team play. I think Tommy knows something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:joker::laugh:

 

[Deathclutch]

House edge plus approximately .5% for every TC above 0 is what your advantage is when you wong in.

Or 1% for every 2 TC's above 0 minus house edge. Whichever way is easier for you to think about it.

 

[Bojack1]

Well,I said "averaging roughly 2%" and of course we're going to pick games with player friendly rules, and excellent pen. In The Hot Shoe I believe Tommy Hyland said the advantage is huge when using team play. I think Tommy knows something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:joker::laugh:

Team play won't raise your advantage percentage, but it will improve how it is taken advantage of. The advantage is the same for everybody, even ploppies. Its most important to first, know how to recognize an advantage, then how to capitalize on the advantage. Proper team play offers to most a way to capitalize on a greater scale during those times of player advantage.

 

[SleightOfHand]

Team play won't raise your advantage percentage, but it will improve how it is taken advantage of. The advantage is the same for everybody, even ploppies. Its most important to first, know how to recognize an advantage, then how to capitalize on the advantage. Proper team play offers to most a way to capitalize on a greater scale during those times of player advantage.

Oh? The way I see it, BP play (with a single BP) can be somewhat simplified by saying that it is a single player that has a jump spread of table min at TC <= some TC and a max bet at TC > some TC, with some "mistakes" where max bets will be missed (when multiple tables reach some TC). This kind of betting pattern would give the player an advantage that is in the order of perhaps ~2-4% depending on when the BP is called in, which is much higher than what can be expected of a solo CC with a "standard" spread.

 

[prankster]

House edge plus approximately .5% for every TC above 0 is what your advantage is when you wong in.

Or 1% for every 2 TC's above 0 minus house edge. Whichever way is easier for you to think about it.

So a 2% advantage surely wouldnt be considered to be an out of this world event, right?:joker:

 

[Bojack1]

Oh? The way I see it, BP play (with a single BP) can be somewhat simplified by saying that it is a single player that has a jump spread of table min at TC <= some TC and a max bet at TC > some TC, with some "mistakes" where max bets will be missed (when multiple tables reach some TC). This kind of betting pattern would give the player an advantage that is in the order of perhaps ~2-4% depending on when the BP is called in, which is much higher than what can be expected of a solo CC with a "standard" spread.

Uh........no. Not enough info in your scenario to come to this conclusion. Dealing in "somewhats" is not a good idea. Thingamajigs and whosywhats don't make for great mathematical solutions either. Having "some" mistakes based on missing call ins without knowing how many spotters are playing with the single BP is not a viable way of drawing a conclusion in this case. It would have to be exceptional situations and not the norm by any means for a BP straight counting team to achieve 4% advantages.

 

[SleightOfHand]

Uh........no. Not enough info in your scenario to come to this conclusion. Dealing in "somewhats" is not a good idea. Thingamajigs and whosywhats don't make for great mathematical solutions either. Having "some" mistakes based on missing call ins without knowing how many spotters are playing with the single BP is not a viable way of drawing a conclusion in this case. It would have to be exceptional situations and not the norm by any means for a BP straight counting team to achieve 4% advantages.

What I was saying was that a standard spotter/BP team play in the statistical sense is very similar to that of the solo jump spread player that I was describing. Spotters are comparable to the solo player waiting at the table waiting for the count to go up. Once the count is at a sufficient level, the BP joins / the solo player jumps the spread. The times where the BP is unable to play multiple tables is comparable to that of the times where the solo player makes a min bet instead of a max bet. The "some TC" was just a variable which is determined at what TC the BP joins the game.

The 2-4% advantage that I was talking about was in relation to total $'s bet and mostly theoretical. With a BP playing at levels sufficiently high relative to the spotters and having the BP play only at TCs with advantages > 4%, then such an advantage can be obtained. Obviously such a team would not be maximizing their profit/hr, I was merely conjecting the kind of advantages a team can obtain, depending on their desires.