Are There Any "Ghosts" Out There?

Discussion in 'Skilled Play - Card Counting, Advanced Strategies' started by Southpaw, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. Southpaw

    Southpaw Well-Known Member

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  2. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

    30 years ago I was a dealer and part-time floor person. One Halloween night a spooking team came in to the joint and to my pit. The BP was dressed as a pirate, and I swear to you, the spook was dressed, you guessed it as a spook. I couldn't help but laugh. I got directly into the eye line of the spook, and when he made eye contact with me I just shook my head "no". He turned around and walked out, the BP played maybe 5 minutes and then left.

    Now I'm sure a bunch of people will jump in here and tell you that spooking is illegal. That is an opinion as far as I know, not a fact. I don't believe there has ever been a spooking case conviction or even a trial that I am aware of. Bob Nersesian is the guest this week on Gambling With an Edge, and if we get time I will ask him about this.
  3. Southpaw

    Southpaw Well-Known Member

    Interesting comments Richard Munchkin. I usually don't make the guest chat sessions. If you speak with him on this subject, please report back to me.

  4. blackriver

    blackriver Well-Known Member

    Wow I'd be very interested in this. I have no experience with holecarding but I've seen plenty of opportunities to spook, this would be easy
  5. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

    Southpaw, it is not a chat session. I do a radio show on Thursday nights in Vegas. If you click on either link in my signature you can get more info.
  6. Lonesome Gambler

    Lonesome Gambler Well-Known Member

    I would be eager to hear Bob's opinion on this subject.
  7. Southpaw

    Southpaw Well-Known Member

    My bad. I misread your post. I know this site often features guests during its chat sessions, and I assumed that this is what you were talking about.

    Even if "spooking" is not illegal, I think that by using this technique one certainly is taking a very large risk of being backroomed and possibly jailed for a few days by attempting such tactics. I know some genius is going to chime in and say that the same risks apply with CC'ing, but CC'ers are usually dealt with by a tap, and I just don't see the house dealing with "spookers" so kindly.

  8. Wookets

    Wookets Well-Known Member

    As would I!
  9. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

    One of my favorite quotes from my book was Chip Reese saying,
    "Just because I haven't done anything wrong doesn't mean I won't have to defend myself some day."

    I think it is quite likely you would be arrested if caught spooking.
  10. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    ZG's opinion, while we wait: Spooking is illegal-cheating, in Nevada anyway.
  11. paddywhack

    paddywhack Well-Known Member

    Gotta agree with zg on this one.
  12. bobstaman

    bobstaman New Member

    What have been cases where there was a conviction or trial?
  13. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    That sounds more like Billy Walters. z:laugh:g
  14. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Which one do you NOT agree with? z:confused:g
  15. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Along similar lines, a qualified legal opinion can be rendered that holecarding is an illicit act.
    On the flip side, the Nevada Device Law, ban against hidden computer use, has some shaky Constitutional
    conflicts and has never been sufficiently tested. zg
  16. WRX

    WRX Well-Known Member

    If Bob Nersesian posted this, I MIGHT give weight to his opinion, based on reputation alone, but I'd probably expect even him to explain his reasoning and the authority on which it was based. When zengrifter says this, I can't bring myself to attach any importance to it.
  17. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    I thought that I properly qualified my comment with this --
    My initial opinion was conventional, and I did not read Richard's observation initially.
    Now I see that spooking MIGHT be "only" a gray area. zg
  18. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

    Well, there have been cases that went to the Supreme Court where they ruled that hole carding is legal. There have been cases brought to trial where they ruled using a hidden computer is illegal.
  19. pit15

    pit15 Well-Known Member

    I've stood and stared at ploppies for hours. Sometimes it works and makes them uncomfortable enough to leave, a lot of times it doesn't. If it's clear you're making someone uncomfortable, start standing closer to them.
  20. Richard Munchkin

    Richard Munchkin Well-Known Member

    I think a whole book could be written about what people have done to get a civilian out of a seat.

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