Attacking 6:5 for fun (and profit?)

Discussion in 'General' started by jopke, Nov 5, 2010.

  1. jopke

    jopke Active Member

    I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

    Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

    Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

    How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

    I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)
  2. White Guy

    White Guy Well-Known Member

    Don't Do It

    I have some advice:

    Don't Do It.
  3. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Yes, with the big spread indicated.

    Keep us appraised of your results, just for fun. zg
  4. SWFL Blackjack

    SWFL Blackjack Well-Known Member

    Have you tried to sim this game? I would be curious of the EV of such a game.
  5. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    A little over 1% (not sim, just guess) zg
  6. tensplitter

    tensplitter Well-Known Member

    6:5 single deck only turns profitable at TC +4. You'd need a huge spread. It would be like minimum bet for TC <4 and max bet for TC >4.
  7. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Ya. zg
  8. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    Wait, no. You would still want to spread your bets. Just play mins and then start ramping up above +4. The only reason to "max bet" is for cover purposes.

    Also, it's single deck. Very volatile TC's, not like shoes where you're only hitting +5 1% of the time with a 1.5 deck cut.
  9. neversplit5s

    neversplit5s Active Member

    If you're trying to decide which system to use if you're going to try and beat a 6:5 SD game, if I'm correct the BC vs. PE balace tips even more to the latter with 6:5 (compared to 3:2 SD) since blackjacks have less of an effect but the importance of playing decisions are the same as in any single-deck game.
  10. Cardcounter

    Cardcounter Well-Known Member

    If you are playing a 6:5 game during a promotion that pays you 2 to 1 for blackjack you are no longer playing a 6:5 game. Meaning you bet $10 and Win $20 instead of $12 it is good game during the promotion but once the promotion ends go back to the regular blackjack tables that pay 3:2 or $15 for a $10 bet. In fact it is smart to play the 6:5 tables during a promotional period paying 2:1 on blackjack because the other rules are quit good and you will have 1.5% advantage of the top there is no crazy spread necessary during this promotion.
  11. jopke

    jopke Active Member

    Yes, I did this for quite a while a few months ago, switching between 6 deck and single deck. It was very nice, unfortunately my buddy lost a lot and wanted to leave. I just flat bet 3x$100 and won a lot.

    My OP wasn't regarding that, I was just interested in 6:5 opinions.
  12. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Dis agree. Jsut bet big or small... or however the AutoMonk does it. zg
  13. Jack_Black

    Jack_Black Well-Known Member

    betting big or small increases your variance, although it does increase your winrate. The choice is personal whether to use a proper ramp or using max bet at all +TC counts. or +4 in this case.
  14. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    There is little choice in effective 6:5 counting - no room for ramp.
    AutoMonk - what spread do yo recommend? zg
  15. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    I think we're mixing up terms here. I agree you have to spread like a maniac. Like, if it gets positive go to ten units. But that doesn't mean that when it gets more positive we can't go to 30 units.
  16. 1-20 without a Wongout, maybe 1-10 if you can escape most negative counts.

    As always, it's all about the pen.
  17. 21forme

    21forme Well-Known Member

    What do you think about a ro6, 6:5 game. Worth playing with that spread?
  18. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    You will best play 2hands heads up.
    I'm going revise my "no spread" statement.

    (rough estimate)



  19. Yes. If it's true RO6 (no cut card), try to get exactly 2 hands in the game at all times.
  20. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.

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