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Attacking 6:5 for fun (and profit?)

Discussion in 'General' started by jopke, Nov 5, 2010.

  1. jopke

    jopke Active Member

    I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

    Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

    Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

    How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

    I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)
     
  2. White Guy

    White Guy Well-Known Member

    Don't Do It

    I have some advice:

    Don't Do It.
     
  3. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Yes.
    Yes, with the big spread indicated.

    Keep us appraised of your results, just for fun. zg
     
  4. SWFL Blackjack

    SWFL Blackjack Well-Known Member

    Have you tried to sim this game? I would be curious of the EV of such a game.
     
  5. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    A little over 1% (not sim, just guess) zg
     
  6. tensplitter

    tensplitter Well-Known Member

    6:5 single deck only turns profitable at TC +4. You'd need a huge spread. It would be like minimum bet for TC <4 and max bet for TC >4.
     
  7. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Ya. zg
     
  8. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    Wait, no. You would still want to spread your bets. Just play mins and then start ramping up above +4. The only reason to "max bet" is for cover purposes.

    Also, it's single deck. Very volatile TC's, not like shoes where you're only hitting +5 1% of the time with a 1.5 deck cut.
     
  9. neversplit5s

    neversplit5s Active Member

    If you're trying to decide which system to use if you're going to try and beat a 6:5 SD game, if I'm correct the BC vs. PE balace tips even more to the latter with 6:5 (compared to 3:2 SD) since blackjacks have less of an effect but the importance of playing decisions are the same as in any single-deck game.
     
  10. Cardcounter

    Cardcounter Well-Known Member

    If you are playing a 6:5 game during a promotion that pays you 2 to 1 for blackjack you are no longer playing a 6:5 game. Meaning you bet $10 and Win $20 instead of $12 it is good game during the promotion but once the promotion ends go back to the regular blackjack tables that pay 3:2 or $15 for a $10 bet. In fact it is smart to play the 6:5 tables during a promotional period paying 2:1 on blackjack because the other rules are quit good and you will have 1.5% advantage of the top there is no crazy spread necessary during this promotion.
     
  11. jopke

    jopke Active Member

    Yes, I did this for quite a while a few months ago, switching between 6 deck and single deck. It was very nice, unfortunately my buddy lost a lot and wanted to leave. I just flat bet 3x$100 and won a lot.

    My OP wasn't regarding that, I was just interested in 6:5 opinions.
     
  12. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    Dis agree. Jsut bet big or small... or however the AutoMonk does it. zg
     
  13. Jack_Black

    Jack_Black Well-Known Member

    betting big or small increases your variance, although it does increase your winrate. The choice is personal whether to use a proper ramp or using max bet at all +TC counts. or +4 in this case.
     
  14. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    There is little choice in effective 6:5 counting - no room for ramp.
    AutoMonk - what spread do yo recommend? zg
     
  15. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    I think we're mixing up terms here. I agree you have to spread like a maniac. Like, if it gets positive go to ten units. But that doesn't mean that when it gets more positive we can't go to 30 units.
     
  16. 1-20 without a Wongout, maybe 1-10 if you can escape most negative counts.

    As always, it's all about the pen.
     
  17. 21forme

    21forme Well-Known Member

    What do you think about a ro6, 6:5 game. Worth playing with that spread?
     
  18. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    You will best play 2hands heads up.
    I'm going revise my "no spread" statement.

    (rough estimate)

    2x1
    2x8
    2x12

    -or-

    1x1
    1x12
    1x20
     
  19. Yes. If it's true RO6 (no cut card), try to get exactly 2 hands in the game at all times.
     
  20. moo321

    moo321 Well-Known Member

    Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.
     

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