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li_ka_shing168

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Hi everyone, I am on a trip to HK now and will be going to Macau very soon. Macau uses CSM but some of them uses discard trays and wait until the tray of one deck high fills up before putting them back to the csm. I am planning to CC even tho the PEN is bad. I read on wizard of odds the HA can be as low as .10. If i use High low, does it mean i am playing an advantageous game at 1/2 TC or is there other mathematic calculation behind this. And if I use the original zen, do I have the advantage at TC 1. I want to use some huge spread , does someone encountered heat before. Thanks in advance for your replies. By the way I would like to travel in korea, I found info on Seoul casino but none on cheju island, would like to have more info on cheju and which of these 2 places has the most profitable game.
 
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ycming

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that is a very valid point! Seeing the HE is so low in macau (say 0.10 as you stated), meaning that at a TC of +1 with hi lo, we will have approx advantage of 0.4 and TC +2 we would have approx 0.9.

May be find out the rules of the game and run some sims on CV data with different bet spread and see the result? Or pm could the sim for you, as i want to find out also!

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MacauData

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Unfortunately it's a wrong timing to come playing the 16% (1/6 Decks) penetration game. The casino just cancelled their discard practice last week and put back cards to the CSM every round.

Since it's a CSM game, their HE is pretty low compared to other places.

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li_ka_shing168

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MacauData said:
Unfortunately it's a wrong timing to come playing the 16% (1/6 Decks) penetration game. The casino just cancelled their discard practice last week and put back cards to the CSM every round.

Since it's a CSM game, their HE is pretty low compared to other places.

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Which casino changed their rules, i heard there where several casino that used the discard tray??
 
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li_ka_shing168

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S**T, I just came back from macau today, visiting the island with my familly. Went to the city of dream, wynns and venetian. They definately changed their discard tray rule and put back the cards after every round. Didn't have time to check if MGM Grand use the discard tray. Can someone please update MGM Grand
 
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li_ka_shing168

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MacauData said:
The do have shoe game in one of the VIP room (min HK$1K), beware of the heat though!

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I see, thanks so much for the update, wow 1k min, if this is a 6 decks shoe game. I need to use a 1- 16 spread to beat the game meaning a max bet of 16000 hk wow. If any new changes on the rules or anything. please update or pm if posssible. ill be in HK til FEB will have plenty of time for playing bj. thanks again
 
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steven5210

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Wow.. I am heading over there myself with my family for a little bit. I didn't think the CSMs were that prevalent over there. I was planning on trying some of the casinos there too..
 
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MacauData

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steven5210 said:
Wow.. I am heading over there myself with my family for a little bit. I didn't think the CSMs were that prevalent over there. I was planning on trying some of the casinos there too..
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Check out http://www.wizardofmacau.com to have a brief view of Macau condition there. Indeed, the CSM completely dominate the casinos there. It's a different ball game for this part of Asia.

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li_ka_shing168

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MacauData said:
Check out http://www.wizardofmacau.com to have a brief view of Macau condition there. Indeed, the CSM completely dominate the casinos there. It's a different ball game for this part of Asia.

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A new casino just opened days ago, i heard is is right next to the ferry terminal and they r giving 100$ hk coupon for the opening, i wonder what is the condition there.
 
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StudiodeKadent

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Wynn have stopped using the discard tray?

That's extremely bad news. I mean, 16.6% pen is simply too unreliable to card count against, so I don't see how there can be any substantial game protection benefits derived from doing this. Possibly its to speed up the game?

Regardless, the slight increase in variance made their game more fun.

I'd still play it. The house edge is 0.08% if they put the cards back into the machine each round. But I won't hide my disappointment.
 
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MacauData

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chessplayer said:
I wonder if any1 knows whether any Macau casino offer the Over unvder 13 bet
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Do you think O/U 13 by CSM is still profitable? If so, one casino have it few months ago but no one ever check though.

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