Can Someone Help with House Edge?

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tlop

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Lucky Ladies

Pair of Qs with Dealer Blackjack 250 to 1
Pair of Qs 25 to 1
Matched 20 25 to 1
Suited 20 10 to 1
Any 20 4 to 1

8 decks.

Really appreciate any help.

Oscar
 
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tlop

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Small Payment

I will Paypal $25 to the first reputable poster who can give me an an accurate answer.

Thanks,

Oscar
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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tlop said:
I will Paypal $25 to the first reputable poster who can give me an an accurate answer.
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I don't know the answer, but thats the best LL pay table I've ever seen - most beatable.
Where is it?
Okay, I'll guess it to be 11.5%. zg
 
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Sonny

Sonny

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Just to verify a few things...The two "Pair of Qs" bonuses are for any Qs, not just a certain suit? Usually it is reserved for Q,Q of Hearts or sometimes Spades. And the Q,Q pair pays 25:1 not 125:1, right? I just want to make sure I understand the differences from the standard pay table before I check this out.

-Sonny-
 
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tlop

Member
Sonny said:
Just to verify a few things...The two "Pair of Qs" bonuses are for any Qs, not just a certain suit? Usually it is reserved for Q,Q of Hearts or sometimes Spades. And the Q,Q pair pays 25:1 not 125:1, right? I just want to make sure I understand the differences from the standard pay table before I check this out.

-Sonny-
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It is for any Qs and pays 25:1, correct.

Thanks,

Oscar
 
Sonny

Sonny

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My preliminary estimate is -28.5%. I'll do a little double-checking and let you know if I find any errors in my analysis.

-Sonny-
 
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tlop

Member
Sonny said:
My preliminary estimate is -28.5%. I'll do a little double-checking and let you know if I find any errors in my analysis.

-Sonny-
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Wow. I assume that means in favor of the player? Let me know when you have confirmed with a pm including your Paypal email so I can send the $25.

Thanks for the help,

Oscar
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Sonny said:
My preliminary estimate is -28.5%. I'll do a little double-checking and let you know if I find any errors in my analysis.
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You are way high, but also calc a betting/count schedule. zg
 
Sonny

Sonny

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Okay, final answer time. There were a few glitches in my last post because I was converting an old spreadsheet to match the new rules and I missed a few important details. The player advantage for this side bet is -14.4%. It looks like ZG was pretty damn close with his guess of 16%. That's much better than the typical house edge on this side bet, but still pretty bad.

tlop said:
I assume that means in favor of the player?
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No, that's in favor of the house. If it was in favor of the player I wouldn't post it publicly. I'd keep it for myself. ;)

tlop said:
Let me know when you have confirmed with a pm including your Paypal email so I can send the $25.
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Don't worry about the money. Save it for your next casino trip. :)

-Sonny-
 
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Canceler

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Sticking my nose in...

zengrifter said:
but also calc a betting/count schedule.
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Everybody knows that tlop is not playing this bet, but offering it, and that he's in South America, right? This doesn't mean you shouldn't help him, though.
 
Sonny

Sonny

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Canceler said:
Everybody knows that tlop is not playing this bet, but offering it, and that he's in South America, right?
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Right. Now we just need to find out which one!

Canceler said:
This doesn't mean you shouldn't help him, though.
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Giving him the house edge isn't really helping him that much. If anything, it's helping us. Now everyone has a head start on finding ways to beat the bet before they offer it. But don't ask me 'cause my lips are sealed.

-Sonny-
 
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Kasi

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tlop said:
Lucky Ladies

Pair of Qs with Dealer Blackjack 250 to 1
Pair of Qs 25 to 1
Matched 20 25 to 1
Suited 20 10 to 1
Any 20 4 to 1

8 decks.
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I'll give this a shot for the fun of it.

But, before I do, do you mean by "Matched 20" they must be of the same rank and suit which is what I would think it means.

As opposed to, perhaps, only maybe "Ranked 20" which would exclude the matching suits as a requirement.

It just seems a little unusual to have the "Matched 20" in a paytable that also allows for any pair of Queens as opposed to suited Queens of a suit.

So, before I get to "Matched 20 or Ranked 20"'s, and since some of those hands would qualify for a higher payout, before I go thru it, I want to know which hands to exclude.

In the meantime, as a start, to Zen and Sonny,

do either of u get 1,999,872 ways of getting a pair of queens with a dealer BJ?

And 40,403,664 ways of getting a pair of queens without a dealer BJ?
 
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miplet

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I get a player EV of: -0.058579992 (a house advantage of 5.86%) Maybe me and excel are having a bad day.
http://www.miplet.net/bj/luckyladiesnsq.xls
Code: 
Hand		Pays  Probability	 Return
Pair of Qs BJ	250	0.000271001	0.067750169
Pair of Qs 	25	0.00547506	0.136876512
Matched 20 	25	0.003892493	0.097312326
any suited	10	0.024652456	0.24652456
any 20		4	0.071733086	0.286932345
other		-1	0.893975904	-0.893975904
Total			1		-0.058579992
 
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