card counting coaching $10 / hr

Meistro

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#3
This is no joke, this is a genuine offer to coach people on how to count cards. I assure you ma'am, I am fully qualified to instruct people on how to win at the game of blackjack. I have been a professional gambler for over a decade, and a card counter for around seven years. You are shocked at my incredible rate, and I don't blame you, I am practically giving these lessons away. I ask only for a modest amount of compensation for my time, nothing more. This is a great value for anyone just starting out in advantage play, who is at the point where they might not even know what they don't know. I will guide my students through the entire process of learning how to count cards. From memorizing the correct basic strategy for your local casino rules, to drills for developing the ability to count cards, to memorizing the 20 most important index plays, to practicing at home with a shoe and discard rack so that they get comfortable with deck estimation. And then I'll give them a skills test to determine whether or not they are casino ready, and if they are not, then I will coach them on the areas that they need work in and do the skills test over again. I will also advise them on game selection, cover, heat and more advanced advantage play techniques such as maximizing your profit against a front loading dealer or what to do if the dealer flashes the bottom card in a double deck game when they are taking the two decks out of the machine.
 
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KewlJ

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#4
In all honesty Meistro, your post and offer seems odd to me. I have no reason to doubt your stated success, but your offer immediately raises some questions.

1.) what benefit is there for an active player to teach other potential "competitors" the skills and knowledge of AP?

2.) once you have decided to do so, for whatever reason, why would you place such a small value on your time and effort?

In regards to #1, I have shared my experiences on several sites, hoping that other players could benefit from some of my experiences just as I did from other players before me, but that is a little different that spoon-feeding potential competition.

I have made the choice to train two different people, friends/family members, which has in fact created direct completion for me, but not in the name of monetary gain or value, only in the name of benefits to that friend/family member.

In regards to #2, I really don't understand placing this small almost "token" value on your services and knowledge. We all know a guy on another site, a 20+ year professional player (or so he says) that likewise offers to "mentor" new players for token amounts like forum membership fees or the cost of a meal. I just don't get the small value placed on the service and knowledge. :confused:
 
#7
If someone is willing to train a person for $10 hour that could be well spent earning $50 an hour in a casino, what is the motivation to reject the higher income. One guess would be that having a student or students strokes ego more than anonymously grinding out $50 an hour.
 

Meistro

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#8
There is also the concept of CE or certainty equivalent. Because of the variance and risk associated with winning money through card counting, your hourly win rate is really only worth about half as much when compared to some other form of labour. So a job at $25 / hr is basically as good as a card counting opportunity that is worth $50 / hr, because the $25 / hr is risk free and entails no variance. And of course you have the constant risk of being 'fired' (backed off) from advantageous gambling. And there is the old adage, when one teaches, two learn.
 

sagefr0g

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#9
i'd say one has to respect the entraponereal (spelling ?) aspect of this novel proposal. kudos, i say with the reservation that one might could be swamped by a wealth of difficult to discern info.
that said, i know had it not been for learning from others, that there would be a heck of a lot of stuff i wouldn't know.
also not sure how one would be able to vett the teacher over security concerns.
 

Meistro

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#12
Incidentally the first examination of the pivotal role played by the entrepreneur in the economy was carried out by Richard Cantillon in his seminal work 'Essai sur la Nature du Commerce en Général'. While Adam Smith is typically credited as the founder of the modern economic science, Cantillon both preceded him and had a more complete and accurate understanding of the workings of the market economy. Cantillon also shares the interesting distinction of being one of the few, if not the only, economist(s) in the history of economic thought to have been murdered, although some suggest that he actually faked his own death to escape the fall out from his profiteering during the Mississippi bubble.
 
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sagefr0g

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#13
Entrepreneur

hmm, didn't know that, didn't even realize how little i know about such stuff. got me to googling. found this:
Cantillon defined the term as a person who pays a certain price for a product and resells it at an uncertain price: "making decisions about obtaining and using the resources while consequently admitting the risk of enterprise."

found that really interesting as i recall a hustler friend who is quite astute in a lot of stuff, making a statement regarding buying and selling, where he stated (while talking about business and whats critical) that "to him it's not so much in the selling as it is in the buying."

one statement, back in what the seventeen hundreds? and another 2016, both similar, interesting.
 

Meistro

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#14
That is similar to the function of the speculator as well. Speculators get a lot of criticism but they actually serve a valuable purpose, moving goods from when and where they are plentiful to when and where they are scarce.
 

sagefr0g

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#15
makes sense, imho.
like a sign of a healthy environment in the wilderness has all sorts of critters out there doing their thing. example wolves, lions, and their prey.
same thing in a casino, it seems. if a joint is so rotten to the core that AP's can't make it, then its pretty darn likely the games are so rotten that the core customers aren't going to like the joint and down it would go.
 
#17
Card counting is math. Being an AP requires prerequisites in math and science, but strives to make the student proficient in the art of profiting at casinos. Make sense DeliMeATs?
 
#18
Your right Spyros Acebos, card counting is math. But it's not complex math by any means. It's the kind of math we all learned in second grade. Adding subtracting and dividing. The previous comment I made was just to prove that there's enough resources on the internet to where you don't have to pay someone for this type of knowledge when it's readily available. In this Forum alone I know members who would be completely fine sharing their knowledge with other members. And the only thing they want in return is the satisfaction of teaching somebody a skill that they wouldn't have otherwise.
 

KewlJ

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#19
Yes, card counting is really just very simple math (many try to make it much more complicated than need be). But it is the mental part of the game... the ability to handle and deal with things like emotions, and the swings of the game that determines how successful one can be. I don't think that can be learned from a book or a mentor/teacher/tutor. I think this is a aspect you learn through experience. And some are never are able to grasp or handle the mentality needed. Some really smart "math guy" types have not been successful despite their superior mathematical ability.
 

Meistro

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#20
I don't mean to state the obvious but doesn't this site offer a free online card counting course?
Yes and there is no question that a person can learn how to count cards on their own. However even a few modest mistakes when you are starting out will cost you considerably more than the price of a few lessons. Coaching is an efficient way of getting past the learning curve. A lot of the time people don't know what they don't know. In addition to overseeing an individuals pre casino preparation, offering skills tests to ensure that the player is casino ready and pointing out areas that they should be focusing on in their practice I also offer consultations on game selection.
 
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