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No, its not relative - counting is a discipline for obtaining the statistical advantage over the casino. Money management without having the advantage over the house is nonesensical.
System sellers who offer supposed "winning" systems that require no counting are just exploiting people's gullibilty (ie, scamming them). And this guy Papadapolous sells BS for $20 - one of his important system modules. zg
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System sellers who offer supposed "winning" systems that require no counting are just exploiting people's gullibilty (ie, scamming them). And this guy Papadapolous sells BS for $20 - one of his important system modules. zg
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Thank you for the lesson, but I have a pretty good grasp on what counting is. I am not going to play semantics with you about what constitutes a scam.
I heard George Papadapolous on the radio a while back plugging his website and his system. He claims he has so many people interested in it he has to turn them away. He says he used to be a counter and he developed his system and it works just as well. If you want to call it a scam that is your right, I have never used his system nor do I know everything about it so I will leave it alone. But I have never heard of a money management system that works over the long run so I do have great doubt about many if not all of his claims.
Around 1979,right after Atlantic City opened,rumors were flying that if you could count cards,you could make a killing down there. I read,and re-read Professor Thorpes book several times, and even recruited my former HS math teacher to explain some of the more technical aspects.
Then I read a book by Scarne,who was considered the leading expert on gambling at that time.
He ripped Thorpe as a phony and convinced me that card counting didn't work. I played a few times in AC and Paradise Island,using Scarnes methods and lost my shirt.
On another trip to AC,I used the fabulous martingale system and got my ass kicked big time,blowing two weeks pay in less than an hour.
So,whats my point,you ask?
BJ,as a game,has evolved fom the 60s,thru the 80s,and continues to evolve.I believe a serious player from the 60s would crack up seeing herds of people playing 6/5 games,or 8 shoe games,or even women paying at all.
With this evolution,will come new strategys to beat the game. Some,perhaps most,will be scams.But I believe some will work.I don't believe we have reached the pinnacle of the mountain and no new system will ever emerge to give players in the 21st century the same advantages that skilled players enjoyed thitry years ago.
What we have today is even the most skilled amongst us using techniques that worked then,even though the house has managed to raise its edge against them.
Think about it.
The house has found many ways to tweak the game in its favor,yet we players have not.
But someone will.
And he'll undoubtedly be called a scammer when he trys to bring it to the public.
Then I read a book by Scarne,who was considered the leading expert on gambling at that time.
He ripped Thorpe as a phony and convinced me that card counting didn't work. I played a few times in AC and Paradise Island,using Scarnes methods and lost my shirt.
On another trip to AC,I used the fabulous martingale system and got my ass kicked big time,blowing two weeks pay in less than an hour.
So,whats my point,you ask?
BJ,as a game,has evolved fom the 60s,thru the 80s,and continues to evolve.I believe a serious player from the 60s would crack up seeing herds of people playing 6/5 games,or 8 shoe games,or even women paying at all.
With this evolution,will come new strategys to beat the game. Some,perhaps most,will be scams.But I believe some will work.I don't believe we have reached the pinnacle of the mountain and no new system will ever emerge to give players in the 21st century the same advantages that skilled players enjoyed thitry years ago.
What we have today is even the most skilled amongst us using techniques that worked then,even though the house has managed to raise its edge against them.
Think about it.
The house has found many ways to tweak the game in its favor,yet we players have not.
But someone will.
And he'll undoubtedly be called a scammer when he trys to bring it to the public.
Scams
Hmmm.....I'm a Ploppy (hate that word!) But I guess it applies to anyone who doesn't count while playing BJ. We go into a game with a negative expectation and play it either because (1) we have no clue as to how to play it but think that it is so simple that we need no knowledge to win (2) We are out to get drunk on house beer and be entertained by the game or (3) we really do like the game and know how to play it and are willing to allow variance to come to our rescue.
Player (1) above is beyond any help! Let him pay the utility bills at the casinos.
Players (2) and (3) are about equal if #2 knows enough about the game to make intelligent plays. The thing is, money management does come into play for us Ploppies. Most of us know these management systems do not change the house edge...we're still playing at a negative expectation. However, without counting, there needs to be a way for us to have a red flag pop up when we are asphyxiating from lack of chips. Many just quit when all the money is gone. A money management system will help a bit in that it can draw attention to the losing trend and get us up an away from the game for a while.
Now, I don't think there is a system that someone could sell me that would be worthwhile to accomplish this, but anyone who doesn't play with some sort of boundaries is asking for trouble! This might be nothing more than leaving when we've lost a predetermined percentage of our buyin. Or maybe after losing "X" number of hands in a row. Something relatively simple, but setting that rule will at least force some sort of evaluation of the status of the session!
Hmmm.....I'm a Ploppy (hate that word!) But I guess it applies to anyone who doesn't count while playing BJ. We go into a game with a negative expectation and play it either because (1) we have no clue as to how to play it but think that it is so simple that we need no knowledge to win (2) We are out to get drunk on house beer and be entertained by the game or (3) we really do like the game and know how to play it and are willing to allow variance to come to our rescue.
Player (1) above is beyond any help! Let him pay the utility bills at the casinos.
Players (2) and (3) are about equal if #2 knows enough about the game to make intelligent plays. The thing is, money management does come into play for us Ploppies. Most of us know these management systems do not change the house edge...we're still playing at a negative expectation. However, without counting, there needs to be a way for us to have a red flag pop up when we are asphyxiating from lack of chips. Many just quit when all the money is gone. A money management system will help a bit in that it can draw attention to the losing trend and get us up an away from the game for a while.
Now, I don't think there is a system that someone could sell me that would be worthwhile to accomplish this, but anyone who doesn't play with some sort of boundaries is asking for trouble! This might be nothing more than leaving when we've lost a predetermined percentage of our buyin. Or maybe after losing "X" number of hands in a row. Something relatively simple, but setting that rule will at least force some sort of evaluation of the status of the session!
I read Kevin Blackwood's book a while ago and he didn't seem to think stop limits were that great. He said that aslong as you're playing correctly you might as well keep playing until you don't have anymore of your bankroll with you. Reason being you never know when you'll start getting the cards and recover. As someone who believes in science and math and not luck and the so called blackjack gods I believe what Kevin Blackwood said. There's no reason why the cards couldn't come out in favour of me on the next hand or shoe. At the same time there's no reason why the cards won't come out favouring the dealer the next time I play if I stop now. If you've taken an emotional and psychological beating and aren't able to keep count anymore or are on the verge of playing stupid then stop but otherwise I don't really see why you'd stop. When I play I usually got with a certain amount of money and play until I've had enough or its time to leave or I have no money left.