I witnessed a red chipper get backed off because of #4 and he wasn't counting. He went kicking and screaming while waving a basic strategy card. Too soon to elaborate further.KewlJ said:Of course Wizard is correct. Isn't he usually? Well at least with math.
And while by the math it is correct (depending on exact rules), I personally take into consideration more than just math because my top priority is longevity and my circumstance of playing a 'regular' rotation of games.
Specifically to these plays, I really dislike #4. While basic strategy for most games I play, it can and will draw a disproportionate attention from both other players and dealer/pit. So I usually back this play off from BS a bit to tc +2 or so.
What is your definition of a "controversial BS play"?JohnCrover said:The more controversial basic strategy plays, in my opinion, are 12 vs 4 and 17 vs A.
Now that we're on the topic anyone want to chime in with 99 vs 7 indexes for splitting? 6D, h17, DAS.
what would the rules need to be to change 1 and 2?gronbog said:All of the points regarding subtle nuances are well taken. However the OP was asking about basic strategy and, from the way the question was worded, it seems that he may have seen some basic strategy cards which differed. That's why I was careful to say that the wizard is correct for the rules that were stated.
A more complete answer from me would have pointed out that basic strategy does change for different rules. In particular, S17 would change 3 of the 4 hands that he asked about.
And in the spirit of teaching a man to fish:
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/
LC Larry,LC Larry said:How much of a penalty would it be to just always double A8 vs 6? Specifically if it's a S17 game.
SlyPooch said:6 decks, hit soft 17...
1. Hard 11 vs A....hit or double?
2. 9-9 vs 7...split or stand
SlyPooch,SlyPooch said:what would the rules need to be to change 1 and 2?
So if the house Edge is 0.66% with perfect basic strategy, are you telling me that misplaying this single situation would increase that house Edge up to 2.02%?Dog Hand said:LC Larry,
The Wizard of Odds (see
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/9/6ds17r4/ for details)
gives these EV's for A,8 vs. 6 for 6D, S17:
EVS = 0.493924, EVD = 0.480266
So, the penalty for always doubling here is 0.013658, or a bit over 1.36%.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
Then I am changing my position. Whatever it is I said, now mark me down as the opposite.bjo32 said:I agree with Kj and paymypush. ....I’m dbs and bob21.
See the p. 99 charts of BJA3. If flat betting $100 per hand, 100 hands per hour, the misplay would cost you 11 cents!!gronbog said:No. You need to multiply the 1.36% by the frequency at which A,8 vs 6 occurs and then add that to the house edge. I don't have that frequency handy.
That’s a good one Kj, made me laugh. I do think I’m the unique AP that cares more about content than who the poster is.KewlJ said:Then I am changing my position. Whatever it is I said, now mark me down as the opposite.
For the record, i am not working on behalf of the casinos, nor the government or illuminati and i was not the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll back in '63bjo32 said:That’s a good one Kj, made me laugh. I do think I’m the unique AP that cares more about content than who the poster is.
so 0.6600% house edge goes to 0.6611%. Right?DSchles said:See the p. 99 charts of BJA3. If flat betting $100 per hand, 100 hands per hour, the misplay would cost you 11 cents!!
Don
SlyPooch,SlyPooch said:so 0.6600% house edge goes to 0.6611%. Right?