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[Meistro]

Because splitting has a higher expected value than surrendering.

 

[LC Larry]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but H17 in this situation is irrelevant since the dealer cannot possible have any soft hand to hit?

 

[LC Larry]

I’m asking about 8,8 v 10. I don’t see how soft hands have anything to do with it.

But you stipulated H17 in your OP.

As for the Wizards numbers, if I remember correctly, they are based on the overall amount possible in action. So the -.475 is based on total action. Just because you add more money, you dont double his figures. I'm sure DonS will provide better and exact reasons soon.

 

[LC Larry]

Like I said, Don will stop by at some point and give you the exact answer.

As to the H17 part, with a dealer 10 up, H17 is irrelevant. With a dealer Ace up, it's QUITE relevant! Big difference.

 

[DSchles]

Can someone please explain to me why in a 6D, H17, DA2, DAS, LS game basic strategy is to NOT surrender 8,8 v 10. Why would you split the hand and lose on average 47.5% of twice your original bet when you could lose only 50% of just your original bet? The same goes for 8,8 vs your other basic strategy surrenders. Why split rather than surrender? It’s this chart that makes me question this?https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/9/6dh17r4/

Al the e.v.s that you read are percentages of the ORIGINAL bet. When you split, the fact that you bet twice as much is accounted for. So, if you lose, say, a total of 47.5%, that's 28.75% on each of the two split hands. (Note, you can confirm this by looking at the values for hitting a hard 8 -- say 6,2 -- vs. dealer's 10.)

So, splitting is better than losing 50% for surrendering, because, when all the smoke clears, you lose less by not surrendering.

Clear?

Don

 

[Good Guy]

In addition to above, if you are counting cards, at +1 you should actually surrender rather than splitting. Some of the benefit of splitting also comes from the potential for doubling if you get 3 on one of the 8s.

 

[Meistro]

88 v 8 is always a split. 88 v 9 has a very high index.

 

[21forme]

Ok. What’s the index for 8,8 v 9?

Buy a book

 

[xengrifter]

Ok. What’s the index for 8,8 v 9?

Without looking it up, I would guess +10 or more w/HILO .... anyone?

 

[Meistro]

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/index-for-8-8-v-9-anyone.15828/

According to a poster in this thread the risk averse index is TC + 13. Like I said, always split it.

 

[Gosha]

Surrender 88 v 9 at +7

 

[Meistro]

Indeed ihate17 agrees with Gosha here :

https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/surrender-with-8-8.7035/

 

[21forme]

Don’t be like that.

It's a very basic question that can be answered by a very basic $15 book. You'll never be a winning player without basic resources like Wong's Prof BJ.

 

[21forme]

I don’t read books.

Is this a reincarnation of Zee, who has been banned from several forums recently?

 

[JJP]

As for surrender, what percentage of casinos even offer it? I don't think I've ever played anywhere that offered it.

 

[JJP]

You may have played somewhere that offers it. They don’t advertise. You have to ask. Here’s a list of some that do. This list is not comprehensive.

https://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/

That's a good link. I ALWAYS ask if they offer it (it seems the dreaded 16 v 10 comes up way too often) and so far nobody has but I have not yet played in Vegas. Thanks for posting the link.

 

[Meistro]

Instead of asking about surrender, which is a bit of a tell, I recommend just trying to surrender on a minimum bet.