Documentary on Ken Uston on History Channel Tonight
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I wish
that a technical advisor could be used to avoid:
(1) counting down a deck and then having him take a long time and conclude that the last undealt card was a seven of clubs. Good counting system. I can't do that with Hi-Lo.
(2) probably tough to avoid showing the new Ben Franklins which didn't exist back then. But movie producers generally have a staff to make sure that such quirks don't happen. It would add to the thing to not wave red flags.
(3) If I were off by +3 in counting (the example with Ken and Al where Ken said +8, Al said +5, that's close enough for me) I'd be back to the CVdrills in a heartbeat...
(4) Apparently some of the scripting came from "The Big Player" as Al had previously said that the particular case of having pit bosses placing bets was not something that Ken did, but another big player on the team. Ken claimed credit in his book, but Al said "it didn't happen that way."
(5) I don't believe they caught on to the team as a result of that specific event either. I think it was just lots of detective work looking at videos to put players together, but I'll have to re-read "The Big Player" to refresh my memory.
(6) they initially talked about hi-lo, but I was under the impression that they didn't use hi-lo, but that could be my memory.
that a technical advisor could be used to avoid:
(1) counting down a deck and then having him take a long time and conclude that the last undealt card was a seven of clubs. Good counting system. I can't do that with Hi-Lo.
(2) probably tough to avoid showing the new Ben Franklins which didn't exist back then. But movie producers generally have a staff to make sure that such quirks don't happen. It would add to the thing to not wave red flags.
(3) If I were off by +3 in counting (the example with Ken and Al where Ken said +8, Al said +5, that's close enough for me) I'd be back to the CVdrills in a heartbeat...
(4) Apparently some of the scripting came from "The Big Player" as Al had previously said that the particular case of having pit bosses placing bets was not something that Ken did, but another big player on the team. Ken claimed credit in his book, but Al said "it didn't happen that way."
(5) I don't believe they caught on to the team as a result of that specific event either. I think it was just lots of detective work looking at videos to put players together, but I'll have to re-read "The Big Player" to refresh my memory.
(6) they initially talked about hi-lo, but I was under the impression that they didn't use hi-lo, but that could be my memory.
the uston apc
is a 3 level counting system counting every card except the two's.
It is ranked the highest for the best results compared to all the
others, but it is a little more diffcult to learn.
The indices are plenty too.
Perhaps we all should learn to change are routine now and then
favorite position, system.,etc.just like changing ones workout,
it can do wonders.
is a 3 level counting system counting every card except the two's.
It is ranked the highest for the best results compared to all the
others, but it is a little more diffcult to learn.
The indices are plenty too.
Perhaps we all should learn to change are routine now and then
favorite position, system.,etc.just like changing ones workout,
it can do wonders.
probably, but...
that sounds reasonable for later on. But when he first started with Al, he didn't know squat about counting, but I am not sure what they used. I do seem to recall that at some point they were using a L2 count, because he talked about counting down a deck in 26 seconds or some such after he had some experience...
that sounds reasonable for later on. But when he first started with Al, he didn't know squat about counting, but I am not sure what they used. I do seem to recall that at some point they were using a L2 count, because he talked about counting down a deck in 26 seconds or some such after he had some experience...
And how about...
Where they show the canopy of the FSE or the remodeled facade of the Golden Nugget. Reminds me of the scene in "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man." This 1991 movie takes place in the future; the year is 1999, I believe. And they show the Dunes sign, which of course had already been imploded by that time.
Where they show the canopy of the FSE or the remodeled facade of the Golden Nugget. Reminds me of the scene in "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man." This 1991 movie takes place in the future; the year is 1999, I believe. And they show the Dunes sign, which of course had already been imploded by that time.
Not to mention the new MGM, etc.these things on TV
A few of the things besides those things already mentioned that I have noticed on about every blackjack documentary on tv is; they mainly only speak about the high low count, and do not speak about what it takes to play a winning game especially for an individual. This is understandable to me but perhaps misleading to the wannabe counter out there. It is not the history channels job to throw in things like indices and game selection and of course casinos are involved in these productions and you can not expect them to promote effective counting.
What I have already heard from a workmate, who knows I count, is that he never realized how easy it is. You know, it's just plus, minus and whenever it is very plus you bet more. Presto! He now thinks the local casino with bad penetration, H-17 and no surrender is his ATM! I have always felt that counting is the most basic and easiest part of AP, for many of us after a short period of time, it is automatic. I personally can not help it.
So now you get a similar result to Thorpe's book, but without even reading a book. A bunch of amatuer counters taking a bankroll (not based on any math) to casinos sure that are the next Ed Thorpe or Ken Uston, but perhaps armed with no real useful information. They count but have no clue about basic strategy. They count but have no deviations from basic strategy, which they do not know anyway. They count but have no idea of the importance of penetration, number of decks and rules. They count but do not know the difference between a running count and true count to formulate a bet. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that these guys count and have no need for cover because they will go home thinking counting does not work. They will be correct, because just counting does not work.
Final result of these shows is the casinos win more. Side result, there will be a small percentage of those who try who will take it further and learn.
Victoria
A few of the things besides those things already mentioned that I have noticed on about every blackjack documentary on tv is; they mainly only speak about the high low count, and do not speak about what it takes to play a winning game especially for an individual. This is understandable to me but perhaps misleading to the wannabe counter out there. It is not the history channels job to throw in things like indices and game selection and of course casinos are involved in these productions and you can not expect them to promote effective counting.
What I have already heard from a workmate, who knows I count, is that he never realized how easy it is. You know, it's just plus, minus and whenever it is very plus you bet more. Presto! He now thinks the local casino with bad penetration, H-17 and no surrender is his ATM! I have always felt that counting is the most basic and easiest part of AP, for many of us after a short period of time, it is automatic. I personally can not help it.
So now you get a similar result to Thorpe's book, but without even reading a book. A bunch of amatuer counters taking a bankroll (not based on any math) to casinos sure that are the next Ed Thorpe or Ken Uston, but perhaps armed with no real useful information. They count but have no clue about basic strategy. They count but have no deviations from basic strategy, which they do not know anyway. They count but have no idea of the importance of penetration, number of decks and rules. They count but do not know the difference between a running count and true count to formulate a bet. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that these guys count and have no need for cover because they will go home thinking counting does not work. They will be correct, because just counting does not work.
Final result of these shows is the casinos win more. Side result, there will be a small percentage of those who try who will take it further and learn.
Victoria
My opinion of backoffs
I believe that backoffs are honorable in a way because if it never happens, you're probably not playing aggressively enough. It's just like being injured as an athlete; if it never happens you're not playing hard enough to be a pro. But you don't want it to happen so often that it shortens your career, and you don't want it to happen due to carelessness or ignorance. My first backoff was a relief to me because then I knew what was going to happen when backed off, so I wasn't afraid of it anymore.
I believe that backoffs are honorable in a way because if it never happens, you're probably not playing aggressively enough. It's just like being injured as an athlete; if it never happens you're not playing hard enough to be a pro. But you don't want it to happen so often that it shortens your career, and you don't want it to happen due to carelessness or ignorance. My first backoff was a relief to me because then I knew what was going to happen when backed off, so I wasn't afraid of it anymore.
Nice.
> Final result of these shows is the casinos win more.
Excellent synopsis.
Unlike when BTD aired, the casino's are not hyper-ventilating for bad rule changes. They probably realize the value of shows like this and the added play of those you describe will only serve to keep the racks full and the tables open.
Like when BTD aired, the casion's are changing the rules because they are aware more ignorant players are coming to play.
6:5, H17, less surrender, poor pen, more ASMs, more CSMs, RFID, Mind Play, etc.
> Final result of these shows is the casinos win more.
Excellent synopsis.
Unlike when BTD aired, the casino's are not hyper-ventilating for bad rule changes. They probably realize the value of shows like this and the added play of those you describe will only serve to keep the racks full and the tables open.
Like when BTD aired, the casion's are changing the rules because they are aware more ignorant players are coming to play.
6:5, H17, less surrender, poor pen, more ASMs, more CSMs, RFID, Mind Play, etc.