Does it matter when someone jumps in to the shoe?

[grog]

I'm sure this has been addressed but I couldn't find anything on it.

I am reading the Blue Book of Blackjack 2 and it says that it doesn't matter how other people play their cards and also doesn't matter when someone jumps in in the middle of a shoe.

This doesn't jib with my experience but the book is well reviewed.

Does anyone have opinions or information regarding this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[GeorgeD]

I'm sure this has been addressed but I couldn't find anything on it.

I am reading the Blue Book of Blackjack 2 and it says that it doesn't matter how other people play their cards and also doesn't matter when someone jumps in in the middle of a shoe.

This doesn't jib with my experience but the book is well reviewed.

Does anyone have opinions or information regarding this?

Thanks in advance.

Why would it matter? It changes the cards you get ...... sometimes for the better, sometimes worse. People just notice when it goes worse and want to blame someone. Can you really keep track of what you get vs what you would have gotten 3,4,5 10 hands down the road?

 

[sabre]

google "selective memory" and "confirmation bias"

 

[Canceler]

grog-

What you're talking about is messing up the "flow" of the cards. This is a myth, often sarcastically referred to here as the "sacred flow".

If you do a search for sacred flow you will get a fair number of hits, including this thread: What flow?/ flow conspriacy

 

[Mimosine]

I am reading the Blue Book of Blackjack 2 and it says that it doesn't matter how other people play their cards and also doesn't matter when someone jumps in in the middle of a shoe.

Thanks in advance.

It matters to me when I jump in on a shoe, only at a plus count when i have the advantage.

to your real question:
to everyone else at the table it makes very very little difference when others jump in. you should ignore it, unless you are counting cards.

if the count is negative you should encourage others to jump in, if the count is positive and you see someone sneaking up to jump in on the table you should pepper spray them. :cool2: or encourage them to play elsewhere, or spread to two hands, or pretend to be a nut, a degenerate, or both!

 

[ihate17]

naughty naughty!!!

grog-

What you're talking about is messing up the "flow" of the cards. This is a myth, often sarcastically referred to here as the "sacred flow".

If you do a search for sacred flow you will get a fair number of hits, including this thread: What flow?/ flow conspriacy

You forgot to capitize "Flow" in honor of the religious beliefs of ploppies worldwide.

What it all comes down to on a neutral deck is someone jumping in can help or hurt you evenly. You can not tell and over time it means nothing.
On a negative shoe, someone coming in will result in fewer hands being played in a situation where the casino has the edge, so in fact he may be helping you lose less. The problem here though is if the next shoe is positive you have an extra player at the table.
On a positive shoe, an extra player means fewer hands being dealt where you have the advantage and that will cost you money. Here you need to inject the religious beliefs of others and retain the current Mythical Mystical Sacred Flow of the cards, in order to get more hands for yourself. The pepper spray idea is one I have never used. Sometimes just asking someone to wait till after the shuffle will work, other times nothing works.
One note here: If the other players at the table are losing during this positive shoe, they will welcome a new player hoping to change The Flow and all you can do at that point is just mention how bad it has been, hope he will change it and many will decide not to risk their money because it has been good. On the other hand, if everyone at the table has been doing good, the other players will just about force the new guy not to play.

Then there seems to be a special situation if you are playing heads up with the dealer. I play heads up often and it is rare that another player will sit down and not ask if I mind if he joins in or not. When there are already a couple of people playing, people come in and out all the time, but heads up seems to get some kind of special respect or whatever.

ihate17

 

[rogue1]

Bottom line

If the count is elevated you'd rather not see new players taking a seat,and it would make your day to see current players get up and leave.

 

[halcyon1234]

If the count is elevated you'd rather not see new players taking a seat,and it would make your day to see current players get up and leave.

In other words: Learn how to fart on control. Big, stinky, VISIBLE farts that know Ninjitsu.

 

[eps6724]

If the count is elevated you'd rather not see new players taking a seat,and it would make your day to see current players get up and leave.

Or, if the count has gone positive, shout out "Hey, are you one of those crrepy stupid cheating COUNTERS? That's illegal! Thief! Cheater! Pornographer! Child molester! (O.K., maybe not the last two) If they ARE a counter, they'll probably run away because they're afraid of 'heat' Then say, 'That crap doesn't work! Here, I'll PROVE it!" Then, raise your bets to your hearts content! When the count drops, say you're done playing that crap and shout out "I Go With Gutz!"
-EPS

 

[GeorgeD]

In other words: Learn how to fart on control. Big, stinky, VISIBLE farts that know Ninjitsu.

.. and you could do what I think Steve Martin said about how if you're walking through a bad neighborhood ..... to not get mugged, rumple and dirty your clothes, piss your pants, and talk to yourself. Though with varience youmight get mugged at the table.

 

[ZMan]

I play heads up often and it is rare that another player will sit down and not ask if I mind if he joins in or not. When there are already a couple of people playing, people come in and out all the time, but heads up seems to get some kind of special respect or whatever.

After reading that, I just realized i do just that.
That is, if a player is heads up against the dealer, I almost always ask if he minds if I join in. If the table has a few players, I many times don't ask. I do say 'hey' or make some kind of greeting to them though.

Heads-up
Some players LIKE to play heads up, which is why I ask before joining.
Most of the time, I prefer NOT to play heads-up (ya lose faster) so am grateful when others join in.

 

[ihate17]

learning

After reading that, I just realized i do just that.
That is, if a player is heads up against the dealer, I almost always ask if he minds if I join in. If the table has a few players, I many times don't ask. I do say 'hey' or make some kind of greeting to them though.

Heads-up
Some players LIKE to play heads up, which is why I ask before joining.
Most of the time, I prefer NOT to play heads-up (ya lose faster) so am grateful when others join in.

In the casino, as in life, you can observe a lot just by watching, or something Yogi said.
You picked up on something you do without much thought. Now picking up on things other players do can make you seem like another non counting player.
Picking up on things pits do will give you an understanding of how they work and think.
Picking up on things dealers do will make you pay real strong attention when they do something different.
Or is it, you can learn alot just by observing.

ihate17