finally media taking note of 6:5 bj *LINK*
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Still meaningless...
People line up for hours to play big-payoff state lotteries (that pay back about 25%). People play Hold-em tournaments in huge masses, with a house take of 5%-15%, and they don't think twice. Buy in is $50, re-buy of $25, and oh, by the way, $10 goes to the house, $5 to the dealer. That's a 20% house edge!
Slot machines almost never pay back 98.5% - no other casino game except normal blackjack, craps and baccarat pay back better than 6:5 single deck BJ. People play those games.
This is brilliant marketing. The public really is that dumb. P.T. Barnum is right and the casinos are cashing in. No amount of public education is going to make a difference. There is really no reason to try and save these people. Let them lose their money. But, in some form, good blackjack games will remain. This is because bosses and casino management know that they have smart customers who won't play 6:5. Not everyone is a sucker.
People line up for hours to play big-payoff state lotteries (that pay back about 25%). People play Hold-em tournaments in huge masses, with a house take of 5%-15%, and they don't think twice. Buy in is $50, re-buy of $25, and oh, by the way, $10 goes to the house, $5 to the dealer. That's a 20% house edge!
Slot machines almost never pay back 98.5% - no other casino game except normal blackjack, craps and baccarat pay back better than 6:5 single deck BJ. People play those games.
This is brilliant marketing. The public really is that dumb. P.T. Barnum is right and the casinos are cashing in. No amount of public education is going to make a difference. There is really no reason to try and save these people. Let them lose their money. But, in some form, good blackjack games will remain. This is because bosses and casino management know that they have smart customers who won't play 6:5. Not everyone is a sucker.
One reason why 6:5 blackjack...
is so easily marketed to the public is because the casinos' aren't taking away an option. If you told John Q that he could no longer hit sixteen against a dealer 10-card he probably wouldn't play the game--even though his long term loss in EV would be very little. But pay him 6:5 for a blackjack--Oh boy!
is so easily marketed to the public is because the casinos' aren't taking away an option. If you told John Q that he could no longer hit sixteen against a dealer 10-card he probably wouldn't play the game--even though his long term loss in EV would be very little. But pay him 6:5 for a blackjack--Oh boy!
why have education on
smoking
drinking...
going to college
bad 6/5
advertising must work somtimes..and it doesn't have
to work 100% -to work, does it?
I agree that the public needs to be made aware...most know
]slots are bad but fiquire they are too stupid to play bjack...
most play 6/5 do not really know how bad it is....
smoking
drinking...
going to college
bad 6/5
advertising must work somtimes..and it doesn't have
to work 100% -to work, does it?
I agree that the public needs to be made aware...most know
]slots are bad but fiquire they are too stupid to play bjack...
most play 6/5 do not really know how bad it is....
What if casinos start running competitive ads touting their 3:2 game?
Circle Jerkus has a billboard up "Blackjacks still pay 3:2". You'd think that would have to to take volume out of the 6:5 game or else they wouldn't be running the ads, no? The natural direction of competitive pressures is going to be towards better games. Unfortunately gambling does not appeal to good human reasoning like economics does.
Circle Jerkus has a billboard up "Blackjacks still pay 3:2". You'd think that would have to to take volume out of the 6:5 game or else they wouldn't be running the ads, no? The natural direction of competitive pressures is going to be towards better games. Unfortunately gambling does not appeal to good human reasoning like economics does.
There's just no stopping them
People are going to gamble no matter what. Most people go to Vegas with the intention of gambling, and they're determined to do it regardless of the payoffs. Certainly there is a good portion of gamblers who don't play the 6:5 games, but they seem to be the minority in most casinos. Tell people on the strip that 6:5 blackjack is a rip off and they will reply "Shut up and let me gamble! COCKTAILS!!!!"
Most people are going to gamble and there's nothing we can do about it!
-Sonny-
People are going to gamble no matter what. Most people go to Vegas with the intention of gambling, and they're determined to do it regardless of the payoffs. Certainly there is a good portion of gamblers who don't play the 6:5 games, but they seem to be the minority in most casinos. Tell people on the strip that 6:5 blackjack is a rip off and they will reply "Shut up and let me gamble! COCKTAILS!!!!"
Most people are going to gamble and there's nothing we can do about it!
-Sonny-
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public
Years ago, Vegas catered to gamblers and their business would fall off when they drastically changed rules to favor the house.
Today, the Strip, no longer totally is devoted to the gambler. They have changed themselves into a vacation and convention destination, where Claude, Maude and the kids can see water work shows, volcanos and a pyramid. They also have the status hotels, where you can say you stayed at the big B, Mandalay bay, etc, saw museum status art and a bunch of big fish. These people are not advantage players, it is hard to even call them gamblers. They have no clue as to the odds, advantages and ways to play most of the games they play. What they generally have is a budget, an amount they are willing to loose with little or no real expectation of winning. Basically, these casinos have decided to extract that money from these people in less time, making their profit with less salary cost.
There are still some places that also want the real gamblers action. Some of these only want to bother with them at higher limits and others at lower limits. The gambler will search out the better DD or shoe game, while the tourist will plop down in the first chair they see. So a place like Wynn's has the bad games up front and the good games harder to find towards the back. The MGM's first pit is h-17, but walk towards the back and you find, as low as, $10 S-17. You do not see CSM's in high limit rooms, they are out front, on the bad games to again extract that petty cash as quickly as possible.
6/5 is generally played by people with little knowledge of the game and no desire to educate themselves. They are there to get their free drinks and donate their daily gambling budget while hoping to get an occassional thrill.
Unfortunately, I do not see 6/5 disappearing. Table games on the strip, especially at low stakes, is just not as important today to the casinos as slots and room rates. As long as players do not care, bad games will be there to fleech them faster.
Years ago, Vegas catered to gamblers and their business would fall off when they drastically changed rules to favor the house.
Today, the Strip, no longer totally is devoted to the gambler. They have changed themselves into a vacation and convention destination, where Claude, Maude and the kids can see water work shows, volcanos and a pyramid. They also have the status hotels, where you can say you stayed at the big B, Mandalay bay, etc, saw museum status art and a bunch of big fish. These people are not advantage players, it is hard to even call them gamblers. They have no clue as to the odds, advantages and ways to play most of the games they play. What they generally have is a budget, an amount they are willing to loose with little or no real expectation of winning. Basically, these casinos have decided to extract that money from these people in less time, making their profit with less salary cost.
There are still some places that also want the real gamblers action. Some of these only want to bother with them at higher limits and others at lower limits. The gambler will search out the better DD or shoe game, while the tourist will plop down in the first chair they see. So a place like Wynn's has the bad games up front and the good games harder to find towards the back. The MGM's first pit is h-17, but walk towards the back and you find, as low as, $10 S-17. You do not see CSM's in high limit rooms, they are out front, on the bad games to again extract that petty cash as quickly as possible.
6/5 is generally played by people with little knowledge of the game and no desire to educate themselves. They are there to get their free drinks and donate their daily gambling budget while hoping to get an occassional thrill.
Unfortunately, I do not see 6/5 disappearing. Table games on the strip, especially at low stakes, is just not as important today to the casinos as slots and room rates. As long as players do not care, bad games will be there to fleech them faster.
6:5 SD better than a bad shoe game
I posted the results of a sim a while back where the best games in Atlantic City are the 6:5 SD, as long as you use Zen and have no more than 2 hands being dealt per round. This is probably the only place in the US where this is true, simply because AC has such lousy games and it's all the same game, all over the city.
I posted the results of a sim a while back where the best games in Atlantic City are the 6:5 SD, as long as you use Zen and have no more than 2 hands being dealt per round. This is probably the only place in the US where this is true, simply because AC has such lousy games and it's all the same game, all over the city.
IF WE REALLY WANTED TO STOP THEM
Hi everyone,
If we really wanted to stop 6/5 we would have to protest the game like factory workers being replaced by scabs. March in front of the casinos waiving the no smoking 6/5 symbol. Quickly educate people as they walk by and protest "don't play 6'5". It would work, but lets be real, that's not going to happen.
Anthony
Hi everyone,
If we really wanted to stop 6/5 we would have to protest the game like factory workers being replaced by scabs. March in front of the casinos waiving the no smoking 6/5 symbol. Quickly educate people as they walk by and protest "don't play 6'5". It would work, but lets be real, that's not going to happen.
Anthony
